Thread: Chivalry MND Modifier Testing    

I had never heard of Chivalry having a modifier until a few hours ago when it was mentioned in another thread. Decided to go test it out and see if it was worth carrying around some +MND Gear to macro it. After alot of running back and forth from Spiders and my MH, I think I will be carrying some of my BLU Mage +MND gear around on PLD!

Chivalry: Mind Modifier Tests

Tarutaru PLD/RDM - 639MP – All tests done at 300%TP - Base 65MND

MND 65 = 442mp
MND 65+1 = 447mp || +1mnd = +5mp bonus
MND 65+2 = 451mp || +2mnd = +9mp bonus
MND 65+3 = 456mp || +3mnd = +14mp bonus
MND 65+4 = 460mp || +4mnd = +18mp bonus
MND 65+5 = 465mp || +5mnd = +23mp bonus
MND 65+10 = 487mp || +10mnd = +45mp bonus
MND 65+11 = 492mp || +11mnd = +50mp bonus
MND 65+33 = 591mp || +33mnd = +149mp bonus

MND 65+48 = 658mp || +48mnd = 216mp bonus**

+33MND was the most I could get with current gear.
** +48MND was with max MND gear on and Braver’s Drink in Besieged. Max MP Boost on as well

Looks like +4.5mp per MND@ 300tp above my Base of 65 MND. Looks like the formula is: TP*.5+(MND*4.5)

However the formula does not add up at lower TP numbers so it seems the MND modifier is less with less TP. Looks like it's close to 1.5@100tp and 3@200 but it didn't add up exactly. Though that could just be from not getting exact numbers from 100/200tp and such.

65MND = 151mp @103tp.
65MND+33 = 202mp @103tp. || +33MND = +51mp bonus

65MND = 311mp @211tp.
65MND+33 = 433mp @220tp. || +33MND = +122mp bonus (tp differential as well..)

Formula might be: TP*.5+(MND*(.015*TP)) ?

Not a math wiz so maybe I messed up and pretty tired at this point so not going to try to do any further tests at lower TP. Wiki talks about a formula of TP*1.45 which is wrong, although close at my base MND of 65 but obviously way off with added MND. Maybe someone better at math can figure out the actual formula but for now I'm happy just knowing a little MND can get me alot more MP.

Pretty sexy imo! ^^/

Chivalry Formula Simplified:

Originally Posted by Ichthyos

Good work.

In case you didn't notice, you can factor the equation into: MP recovered = TP * (0.015 * MND + 0.5)

Just making sure you checked something: Did you try the same amount MND twice to see if the results were consistent?

Yes. Even double checked a few when my Enhancing skill leveled from 205 to 206, lol.

time to lootwhore me some crimson body

Originally Posted by DreizehnOfSiren

maybe another reason to merit MND on pld?

pld/rdm fun, higher magic resist and chivalry boost? could be interesting to see.


not to mention proves elvaan are better tanks than others haha (if this is true )

That would be true if Elvaan even had enough max MP to make use of the bonus...

If anything it proves Taru PLD is the best tank. You're obviously going to save 300% TP for it since it has a large recast timer, and Elvaans don't have 600 MP in tanking gear, I dunno about MP gear.

Originally Posted by WizerdRemora

Originally Posted by DreizehnOfSiren

maybe another reason to merit MND on pld?

pld/rdm fun, higher magic resist and chivalry boost? could be interesting to see.


not to mention proves elvaan are better tanks than others haha (if this is true )

That would be true if Elvaan even had enough max MP to make use of the bonus...

If anything it proves Taru PLD is the best tank. You're obviously going to save 300% TP for it since it has a large recast timer, and Elvaans don't have 600 MP in tanking gear, I dunno about MP gear.

except that taru have a terrible mind stat, oh and any Elvaan PLD in homam gear has a ton of MP. a PLD with a good mind setup wouldn't need to build a full 300TP just to use this ability and could instead use TP for spirits within (or make a joke skillchain on cerberus)

Originally Posted by Vail

Originally Posted by WizerdRemora

Originally Posted by DreizehnOfSiren

maybe another reason to merit MND on pld?

pld/rdm fun, higher magic resist and chivalry boost? could be interesting to see.


not to mention proves elvaan are better tanks than others haha (if this is true )

That would be true if Elvaan even had enough max MP to make use of the bonus...

If anything it proves Taru PLD is the best tank. You're obviously going to save 300% TP for it since it has a large recast timer, and Elvaans don't have 600 MP in tanking gear, I dunno about MP gear.

except that taru have a terrible mind stat, oh and any Elvaan PLD in homam gear has a ton of MP. a PLD with a good mind setup wouldn't need to build a full 300TP just to use this ability and could instead use TP for spirits within (or make a joke skillchain on cerberus)

People fail to realize that stats in this game don't differ that greatly between races. Everyone exagorates this a lot. It's like saying a Tarutaru WAR won't parse nearly the same as an Elvaan WAR with the exact same gear and merits, when in actuality, 3-4 times out of 10 that Taru will win, and the other 6-7 times, the Elvaan will win, due to randomness of hits, misses, criticals, etc.

The only large difference between races are HP and MP. Yes I realize that affects PLD, but I'm arguing the MND thing, not the HP/MP thing. <_<

What's the difference between Elvaan and Taru MND at 75? 10? 15 max? 45-60 MP on 450 doesn't really seem like a worthy race difference argument to me.

But I'm not a PLD, I just like Taru PLD best because I've always had good experiences with them, and bad ones with Elvaan/Galka PLDs.

That and most Elvaans and Galkas tend to be retarded.. like it comes with the race.

Nice find. Thanks for sharing the info! :D

And as far as the race issue:
Skill > Gear > Race

That being said you do notice differences. I can tell you that as an Elvaan BLM. It annoys me to no end that my average nuke will take down 23-24% of a (XP) mob's HP and a taru will do 26-27%. Couple that with the fact that taru, on average have a spare Tier IV nuke in them and the difference in race becomes annoying. Because 200MP and 10 INT adds up to having a much easier time soloing or being able to perform as well as the taru in XP (assuming equal skill level and gear).

PLD/NIN makes HP less of an issue than it used to be so really any race can be a fine PLD with the way the game is played today. As long as you can't get one shotted by any attack, you should be ok.

Originally Posted by DreizehnOfSiren

Originally Posted by WizerdRemora

That and most Elvaans and Galkas tend to be retarded.. like it comes with the race.

No, it's more that Tarus tend to be more focused on tanking, because they have to be. Their smaller HP buffer means they can potentially die faster than other races. Therefore they know they need to cure more (themselves and other people), which most elvaans and galkas are afraid to do because it will have a big effect on their MP. Tarus don't see the effect as much, thus learn their tanking differently.

That being said, for the average player that's true that elvaan and galka aren't as skilled, but for very skilled players galka or elvaan would make a better tank (moreso elvaan imo, but maybe i'm bias because i'm elvaan )

But non-retarded Galkas are rare, and there are quite a handful more retarded Elvaans than any of the remaining races. Mithra has a lot of retards too, but not quite as many.

I think the problem is that people nowadays are choosing their races based on their first job, and then sucking because they think their race will make them a good player. They don't put any effort into actually learning their job, whether it be something as simple as MNK, or complicated as RDM (trust me, RDM is complicated for the first while when you've only done melees in the past).

Originally Posted by Faxanadu

MP pool dosen't make a good tank.

Ballad and Refresh are the things that make a good tank.

Chivalry is good for 2 things:

#1. when you run completly dry of mp, (less than a flashs worth) which really shouldn't ever be happening in a big fight.
#2. soloing

To OP:

great job on doing the research! Its nice to know we can boost that ability, but at the same time i doubt i will ever carry around a set of mind gear. 8)

Flash is obviously the only spell paladins have. The game would be so broken if they could cure!

Originally Posted by Faxanadu

Originally Posted by Julian

Originally Posted by Faxanadu

MP pool dosen't make a good tank.

Ballad and Refresh are the things that make a good tank.

Chivalry is good for 2 things:

#1. when you run completly dry of mp, (less than a flashs worth) which really shouldn't ever be happening in a big fight.
#2. soloing

To OP:

great job on doing the research! Its nice to know we can boost that ability, but at the same time i doubt i will ever carry around a set of mind gear. 8)

Flash is obviously the only spell paladins have. The game would be so broken if they could cure!

wow, u must really be itching for a fight. I said as an example Flash just as a basline for the last remaining MP. Believe it or not PLD's do somethimes have full HP during a fight

Berserker's Torque and switching in HP gear apparently don't exist either.

btw, Paladins aren't the only ones losing HP in most fights.

Won't feel so bad about meriting MND (lol!) when I level PLD now.
Thanks for the test.