Thread: Perdu Blade questions.    

I have been thinking about how to post about this without getting flamed, LOL so here goes and I haven't seen a thread on it yet, but I think its worthy of discussion.

First, yes, I know it isn't available yet, but speculation is fun.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_hxipat_8gAI/...Perdublade.PNG

Stats are almost definitely going to be +5 acc, +15 att with latent in effect, so how good does this make for an off-hand weapon? The delay is incredibly low, but that will also lower TP gain. What is best to pair this with? Senj? Unji? Unsho?

I kind of already know how good it is going to be, but I would like to here others opinions on the matter.

Well U + U is 402 Delay , Senj + Perdu is 417, U + Perdu is 391. I'm not sure if senj + perdu or Unji + Perdu is better. But i'm 100% sure that Unji + Perdu > Unsho + perdu.

It's really a matter of is 26 delay going to be a BIG difference in the WS dmg it will lose from senjs dmg and +6% crit. I'm really not sure

Originally Posted by LinktheDeme

Well U + U is 402 Delay , Senj + Perdu is 417, U + Perdu is 391. I'm not sure if senj + perdu or Unji + Perdu is better. But i'm 100% sure that Unji + Perdu > Unsho + perdu.

It's really a matter of is 26 delay going to be a BIG difference in the WS dmg it will lose from senjs dmg and +6% crit. I'm really not sure

I will be going with Senj/Perdu just for practicality reasons, but what I am really interested is TP build, because of the much lower delay it is going to increase the number of rounds to get to 100TP. With Senj/Fudo I am able to just barely maintain 10TP per round, vary rarely dropping to 9TP per round. Should I really worry about the 10TP per round issue or just learn to love the low delay?

Cast less utsusemi and get hit for the extra TP.. ive actually done this when i feel a 99/100 coming up.

s/p is gonna stomp all over s/u's oatmeal.

Originally Posted by aurik

s/p is gonna stomp all over s/u's oatmeal.

Yeah, definitely, but I am really cheap and I dont know if it would be better than Unji/Perdu. That would be so fast, <3.

Originally Posted by Amastacia

Originally Posted by Vail

who even WS right at 100tp?

Maybe it's a personal thing but I save TP for when I need to pull hate off someone (works alot better then voke imho)

That's a playstyle choice.

NIN WSs aren't terribly strong so you have less situations where you need to hold TP to avoid wasting it, and I don't like losing the sheer quantity of damage you do if you continually hold TP. It's not like Jin gets reliably stronger with more TP so there isn't even a payoff besides having a hate tool when you need it.

I bring Enmity gear (like +12ish) that gets swapped in for Voke and have another +4 in merits, which generally provides a large enough initial hate spike that my damage holds hate for just long enough to ensure that there's little to no Ichi casting required by anyone.

I'll readily admit that I'm spoiled by good parties, but it's been a very long time since I've had to trade off raw damage potential for extra hate control.

I don't know about your Jins but mine do 800 on avg high peak of 1000ish I think the highest on mamool i've done 1392

Originally Posted by LinktheDeme

I don't know about your Jins but mine do 800 on avg high peak of 1000ish I think the highest on mamool i've done 1392

What kind gear/merits do you have that have you averaging 800 Jins on Mamools?

Originally Posted by Alastaire

Originally Posted by LinktheDeme

I don't know about your Jins but mine do 800 on avg high peak of 1000ish I think the highest on mamool i've done 1392

What kind gear/merits do you have that have you averaging 800 Jins on Mamools?

WS

Senj
Fudo
Voyager Sallet
Haubergeon
Amemet +1
Breeze Gorget
Nin Tekko+1
Warwolf
Fire Bomblet
Brutal Earring
Suppa ( I know i need a better ws earing)
Rajas
Jaeger ring ( Don't have 2 mil to blow on a ring that has 3 more acc)
Byakko Haidate
Rutter Sabatons

Normally when I do mamools have two bards, without it my jins would be 500ish avg if not that then worse

Felt it was irrelevant to type my tp gear

edit: with one bard it would vary on the songs probably be around 600-700 avg

Originally Posted by Amastacia

I call bullcrap on 800 average.

I just got out of a 2 BRD party with LW and Aurik, and due to the time Zerk was down, I'd say my average was only 650-700ish.

Because of the BRDs and Feint on Infiltrators (we were at south SP, so no Lurkers), I pretty much always landed full TP-return Jins, and as a result I was using full STR/Att gear. ~101 STR, ~113 DEX, ~500-700 Att depending on Zerk/Minuet (had to compete for claims to keep chain so songs fell now and then due to both BRDs pulling). I don't see 800 average being reasonable unless you ignore WSs when Zerk is down.

Puks bring up average as well though (AND WTF ONLY 3 QUOTES AT A TIME NOW? D:

Originally Posted by Amastacia

Don't say your average is 800 on Mamools if you're parsing at south SP and fighting as many Puks as you are Mamools or Skoffins...

Well Dvs parse can't seperate them, nor count the amount of what mob that you fight (Unless some function i'm unaware of?) We did pull more mamool than puks but again no way to prove it.

Originally Posted by LinktheDeme

Originally Posted by Amastacia

Don't say your average is 800 on Mamools if you're parsing at south SP and fighting as many Puks as you are Mamools or Skoffins...

Well Dvs parse can't seperate them, nor count the amount of what mob that you fight (Unless some function i'm unaware of?) We did pull more mamool than puks but again no way to prove it.

No, but your original statement implied that you average 800 Jins on only Mamools.

with the caveat that my melee job lvls are piss low, one thing to remember when tabulating the TP gain is that your accuracy boost will help to make up that TP by hitting more. granted, the gain from 5 accuracy isn't going to be colossal, but it's not insignificant. if the change in delay forces you down .5 tp per round, each hit should be worth about 4.75 tp on average. as such, 1 extra hit out of every 9.5 hits balances out the TP gain loss, completely ignoring the reduction in time between rounds which will also benefit your TP gain. i'd imagine your time to TP on most mobs will be roughly the same, but there might be some variance in EP mobs that your accuracy was already nearly capped on anyway. just my thoughts.

Originally Posted by Vail

I'm currently saving ABCs in interest of getting a charger's mantle, still thinking about this.

Kinda off topic, but anyone else switched to this? I'm kinda curious how it would do vs Foragers on TP build.

And yea, on topic, Senju/Perdu looks like its going to be all kinds of fun, and that 15ish attack and 5 acc will have a bigger impact on jin than the dex and str on unjji imo. I just wish they would release the new assault stuff already instead of teasing us by releasing the weapons before the rank ><