"The value of relics/mythics"

[Tekki]

All discussion about the value of any relic/mythic weapon goes here. This is splitting from the current relic/mythic discussion thread. This is not a dump bin for "WASTE OF GIL" spam. The same rules across the current threads apply and you will receive infractions for the same rules. Keep it clean, and if you think your just going to cause problems or try to egg on fights, don't even bother posting.

I will be moving posts from the current thread to this.

Topic on hand that would go along with this thread... Is the WHM mythic worth the 90m?

[Valkrish]

They're all worth their weight for each specific job type and play their roles well.

It is all up to the person's time, their work towards each mythic/relic, how big their wallet is (usually), and play-style.

That is all i have to contribute; no speculation, and no annoying complaints from me. Topic Over

[eva00r]

Apoc, Amano, Aegis, Gjallar, Yoichi, Annihilator worths their price imo. The others are just some overvalued items, maybe an exception for WHM's mythic until we figure out what exactly next patch does to WHM. I didn't say the other relics/mythics are bad, but I'd say they're not worth gazillion gils and effort putting into.

[Aro]

Relics should be the last things people get to finish their jobs. Are they worth the gil? Most of them are worth it, if your job has all the best gear already. Are claustrum/Mjoll worth it? If you love Meele whm/smn/blm then go ahead.. it's your job, your choice. Would leveling a Meele and getting a meele relic be more useful? probably. But having fun is usually more important.

Then again don't expect to do anything endgame as a meele BLM.

[Unstable]

All relics are worth it but in one way of another. Take a players skill and put it into a number and do the same for there gear. Add them together. Then take a relic but not as another number but as a modifier of +%, that is its usefulness. A player with 0 Skill and little gear will not make a relic worth while. But a person with great gear and skill will make it shine and pawn down all the noobs that gear in the way.

[Charismatic]

Originally Posted by Unstable

All relics are worth it but in one way of another.

Claustrum

[Unstable]

Originally Posted by Charismatic

Claustrum

Solo BLM pops a IW -> Wses to get more MP

[Charismatic]

Originally Posted by Unstable

Solo BLM pops a IW -> Wses to get more MP

Sleep => Rest

[Unstable]

Originally Posted by Charismatic

Sleep => Rest

What about mid fight the monster Aspirs you. No mp to Sleep the monster. No 2hour. You can put that fugly staff on pop a IW and get mp to sleep then rest? ^^;

Then again Ethers would be better >_<

[tymora]

Originally Posted by Unstable

What about mid fight the monster Aspirs you. No mp to Sleep the monster. No 2hour. You can put that fugly staff on pop a IW and get mp to sleep then rest? ^^;

Then again Ethers would be better >_<

Great for 1% mobs lol...

[Kenji]

If Yagrush was 10 mil, I'd be all over it. 20-30 mil? Probably worth saving up for. It is a fairly nice weapon.

But for 90mil? I could only see myself justifying it, if I had everything else I could possibly get for WHM, and I didn't plan to level any other jobs. Before getting it, I'd ask myself if I had all the following:

Aristocrat's coat
HQ blessed
Roundel Earring
Star Ring
HQ staves
And perhaps the Marduk set

And if I was WHM only, I'd need a good melee set, too, and all the good gear that entails.

But I'm not super rich. I don't buy gil. So if I'm going to shell out 90 mil, I want to make sure it's the best upgrade among all my jobs. The chances of me obtaining 2 or more relics/mythics, isn't very high. And most people do level more than one job, so there's always the opportunity cost.

It's quite evident what people really think about items on this forum: Mention Claustraum, Ragnarok, or Glanzfaust? What do you get a response? Why? Each weapon has it's pros. But they are overshadowed by better things to spend your money on.

[Buckethead]

Originally Posted by eva00r

Apoc, Amano, Aegis, Gjallar, Yoichi, Annihilator, Excalibur worths their price imo. The others are just some overvalued items, maybe an exception for WHM's mythic until we figure out what exactly next patch does to WHM. I didn't say the other relics/mythics are bad, but I'd say they're not worth gazillion gils and effort putting into.

ftfy

[Sai]

Originally Posted by Kenji

Before getting it, I'd ask myself if I had all the following:

Aristocrat's coat
HQ blessed
Roundel Earring
Star Ring
HQ staves
And perhaps the Marduk set

Aristocrat's coat - check
Full HQ Blessed - check
Roundel Earring - check
Full HQ staves - check
Full Marduk - check

I'm only missing the star ring, but I have very little desire to get one and the supply of them is very small. I had nothing else to purchase, and I was lucky enough to get 2 speed belts from KS99 in a very short span of time which paid for almost all of it, the rest of the Alexandrites were donated to me free by my LS to help me out (it was their own choice to do this).

I have very little desire to level anything else. I love WHM by heart, and I've enjoyed reading some of your posts regarding your opinion on Yagrush. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion, but I thought I'd let you know that I did not in fact have much of anything else to buy which is why I went ahead and went for this. I can also assure you that my others jobs are all very well geared, I didn't sell any of my equipment to fund this.

If you look at the screenshot of Carol (The other JP WHM who's close to finishing) you'll see that she also has full HQ blessed, along with roundel earring and I'm sure she needs next to nothing in terms of WHM gear. The other WHM in my LS who's about to finish Yagrush in about a week or two, has more HQ gear than even I do so he was in the same situation as me when he decided to start working on it.

You're free to argue that SCH can perform just as well, or that the upcoming Esuna spell will negate some of the usefulness of Yagrush. I won't deny that in a capable player, SCH or possibly Esuna might showcase enough performance to challenge Yagrush. But at the same time, a capable WHM with Yagrush will no doubt do very well and will exceed what SCH/Esuna can do. The bottom line for me, was that Yagrush was a huge upgrade for WHM and as I've stated earlier, there was nothing else for me to purchase to benefit the one job I play in FFXI the most.

[aapr25179]

Don't lose your time answering to that kenji guy, he should have been banned already for being such a retard.

[Araelus]

Sai's response is really appropriate though.

Congrats on the Yagrush, and for a justified defense of the club, too.

[Rhealana]

Originally Posted by Sai

Aristocrat's coat - check
Full HQ Blessed - check
Roundel Earring - check
Full HQ staves - check
Full Marduk - check

I'm only missing the star ring, but I have very little desire to get one and the supply of them is very small. I had nothing else to purchase, and I was lucky enough to get 2 speed belts from KS99 in a very short span of time which paid for almost all of it, the rest of the Alexandrites were donated to me free by my LS to help me out (it was their own choice to do this).

I have very little desire to level anything else. I love WHM by heart, and I've enjoyed reading some of your posts regarding your opinion on Yagrush. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion, but I thought I'd let you know that I did not in fact have much of anything else to buy which is why I went ahead and went for this. I can also assure you that my others jobs are all very well geared, I didn't sell any of my equipment to fund this.

If you look at the screenshot of Carol (The other JP WHM who's close to finishing) you'll see that she also has full HQ blessed, along with roundel earring and I'm sure she needs next to nothing in terms of WHM gear. The other WHM in my LS who's about to finish Yagrush in about a week or two, has more HQ gear than even I do so he was in the same situation as me when he decided to start working on it.

You're free to argue that SCH can perform just as well, or that the upcoming Esuna spell will negate some of the usefulness of Yagrush. I won't deny that in a capable player, SCH or possibly Esuna might showcase enough performance to challenge Yagrush. But at the same time, a capable WHM with Yagrush will no doubt do very well and will exceed what SCH/Esuna can do. The bottom line for me, was that Yagrush was a huge upgrade for WHM and as I've stated earlier, there was nothing else for me to purchase to benefit the one job I play in FFXI the most.

This about sums up most of the relic/mythic upgraders who care about their jobs enough to upgrade an item others would balk at. "OMG no Aegis/Gjallarhorn/etc???"

[Arthars]

relics is worth it if you have everything else you need for the job, and you wanna push yourself further....... Anyway you have nothing else to spend the gils on that job right?

hell, dont get a relic when your other slot sucks, or you dont even put in a basic effort to strengthen your jobs, and just hope a omgrelic will improve you dramatically is so wrong.........be it you chose the best relic choices like apoc or amano, your still going to hell.

relic is a just weapon(or shield/horn), that will push you up to that final level you lack

[Tsuko_Asura]

I realize that his is fairly pointless due to the fact that everyone is well aware of how stupid the poster is, but in what way does having full HQ Blessed, full Marduk, full HQ Staves(for WHM, at least), or two more MPwH surpass the utility of Yagrush? Half of what you listed has no practical purpose for White Mage, and the other half is drastically situational.

[Sai]

I'm aware alot of the whiteboxed gear for WHM isn't really as needed, in fact the slight upgrades you get from stuff like HQ blessed really isn't much at all so you're correct. I wasn't trying to say those HQ gears surpass the utility of Yagrush, but rather I've already upgraded everything else so why not go for the last big upgrade.

[Snprphnx]

Originally Posted by Aro

Relics should be the last things people get to finish their jobs. Are they worth the gil? Most of them are worth it, if your job has all the best gear already. Are claustrum/Mjoll worth it? If you love Meele whm/smn/blm then go ahead.. it's your job, your choice. Would leveling a Meele and getting a meele relic be more useful? probably. But having fun is usually more important.

Then again don't expect to do anything endgame as a meele BLM.

exactly this. yea, work on the weapon over time, but consider it icing on the cake. you don't want to end up on the WTF gimp thread for having an amano, with a NQ hauby and NQ lvl 50 STR+ rings

[barber2006]

Originally Posted by Arthars

relics is worth it if you have everything else you need for the job, and you wanna push yourself further....... Anyway you have nothing else to spend the gils on that job right?

hell, dont get a relic when your other slot sucks, or you dont even put in a basic effort to strengthen your jobs, and just hope a omgrelic will improve you dramatically is so wrong.........be it you chose the best relic choices like apoc or amano, your still going to hell.

relic is a just weapon(or shield/horn), that will push you up to that final level you lack

Sadly that is just not true with horn. Naked bard with relic horn (and nq staves) would still be a force compared to decked out bard w/o relic just because of the nature of debuffs on brd. If it sticks it sticks. If it don't, adding 99999 skill/gear/macc wont make it. But giving the pld, rdm, and whm in your tank pt an extra 4 mp/tick sure adds up.

I wish gear mattered more for bard but it doesn't. Horn matters though. Matters a lot.

[Cyr]

Looking for some info about Kikoku, preferably from multi-jobbers. How does it compare to some of the 2hander DD jobs? How potent is the Subtle Blow effect (enough to let you melee HNM with potent AoE)? Is there an undocumented secondary effect on Metsu, much like some of the other relic WSs?

I'm looking into getting one of the one-handed relics, need some opinions. Probably mandau or kikoku ;x

Thanks for whatever you can offer.

[Jakson]

Originally Posted by Cyr

Looking for some info about Kikoku, preferably from multi-jobbers. How does it compare to some of the 2hander DD jobs? How potent is the Subtle Blow effect (enough to let you melee HNM with potent AoE)? Is there an undocumented secondary effect on Metsu, much like some of the other relic WSs?

I'm looking into getting one of the one-handed relics, need some opinions. Probably mandau or kikoku ;x

Thanks for whatever you can offer.

From the Rate Your Relic thread

Originally Posted by Arthars

Kikoku 8/10 for me
1. I always dual box with my wife's WHM, so NIN is prolly good for me, and makes kikoku even better on me
2. Do not under estimate the subtle blow bonus when you fight NMs like salvage bosses or low manning melee-able mobs/NMs
3. the para is VERY potent and proc VERY often, 1 mob can be paralysed the entire fight, but whether he paralyze or not, thats luck
4. metsu is good for some NMs as far as i know even on byakko. i tank byakko with merit setup and deal 400-500 metsu(just one of the few i can highlight)
5. Good for me because my irl friend have mandau and we rape/tear anything thats not a NM in a SC
6. im a ninja fanatic
7. setback: you need to be a good ninja in terms of gears and skill before you should attempt to wield a kikoku.....the weapon itself wont make u super. its one of the upgrades to make urself one-up above the other ninjas. If you burn all ur gils and suck on other slots just for this weapon. BY ALL MEANS PLEASE DONT DO IT. because sath may come back and haunt you :\ this weapon have a rating of 5/10 on an average ninja.

[Cyr]

Appreciated, Jaksen

Is there anyone who can give insight as to how it compares to well-built 2hander DDs? I know it is impossible for a very well geared ninja to be up to par with an equally well-geared geared sam, and other related 2-handers; but does Kikoku help to close that gap? or is the disparity in weapon-types far too wide? ;x

[Ker]

Yeah gear for bard won't matter for shit and what sad seeing the mules bard naked casting ballad -_-;

[Arthars]

my bad ; ;

damn horn XD

[Jakson]

From what everybody makes it sound, ever since the two handed update, nothing nin can do will compare to an equally well geared 2h, especially Samurai. Kaiten is just too powerful on anything a NIN would actually be meleeing anyway.

[Kenji]

Originally Posted by Sai

Aristocrat's coat - check
Full HQ Blessed - check
Roundel Earring - check
Full HQ staves - check
Full Marduk - check

I'm only missing the star ring, but I have very little desire to get one and the supply of them is very small. I had nothing else to purchase, and I was lucky enough to get 2 speed belts from KS99 in a very short span of time which paid for almost all of it, the rest of the Alexandrites were donated to me free by my LS to help me out (it was their own choice to do this).

I have very little desire to level anything else. I love WHM by heart, and I've enjoyed reading some of your posts regarding your opinion on Yagrush. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion, but I thought I'd let you know that I did not in fact have much of anything else to buy which is why I went ahead and went for this. I can also assure you that my others jobs are all very well geared, I didn't sell any of my equipment to fund this.

If you look at the screenshot of Carol (The other JP WHM who's close to finishing) you'll see that she also has full HQ blessed, along with roundel earring and I'm sure she needs next to nothing in terms of WHM gear. The other WHM in my LS who's about to finish Yagrush in about a week or two, has more HQ gear than even I do so he was in the same situation as me when he decided to start working on it.

You're free to argue that SCH can perform just as well, or that the upcoming Esuna spell will negate some of the usefulness of Yagrush. I won't deny that in a capable player, SCH or possibly Esuna might showcase enough performance to challenge Yagrush. But at the same time, a capable WHM with Yagrush will no doubt do very well and will exceed what SCH/Esuna can do. The bottom line for me, was that Yagrush was a huge upgrade for WHM and as I've stated earlier, there was nothing else for me to purchase to benefit the one job I play in FFXI the most.

So, what other jobs do you have at 75, then?

Edit; Btw, Star Sapphire is 5mil, I'm sure you can easily afford that, though. You'll need the extra hMP, since you'll be using a bunch more mp up now then you have to.

[chiyio]

Originally Posted by Kenji

Edit; Btw, Star Sapphire is 5mil, I'm sure you can easily afford that, though. You'll need the extra hMP, since you'll be using a bunch more mp up now then you have to.

You sir, are a retard.

Using very elementary research, I've deduced the following:
Browsing the LS site in his/her sig, (s)he plays on Unicorn, and Star Sapphires on his/her server are 3.5m. I also found this out:
Jan. 2, 2009 Custos Milhaust 3,500,000
Dec. 25, 2008 Knivesjr Milhaust 3,500,000
Dec. 12, 2008 Soushi Priximo 3,700,000
Sep. 20, 2008 Jonio Parthenon 3,500,000
Jul. 4, 2008 Daiya Misao 3,600,000

And just incase you think people are selling the rings on AH, thats not the case
Dec. 2, 2008 Fuel Amehime 4,000,000
Nov. 28, 2008 Soth Gyungyun 4,000,000
Oct. 26, 2008 Fatimah Xpipix 3,500,000
Mar. 29, 2008 Son Son 100,000
Mar. 12, 2008 Ctsango Tessla 5,000,000


So they very well may be looking for Star Sapphires / Star Rings, but they just dont exist on their server. Shit happens.

[Kenji]

Originally Posted by chiyio

You sir, are a retard.

Using very elementary research, I've deduced the following:
Browsing the LS site in his/her sig, (s)he plays on Unicorn, and Star Sapphires on his/her server are 3.5m. I also found this out:
Jan. 2, 2009 Custos Milhaust 3,500,000
Dec. 25, 2008 Knivesjr Milhaust 3,500,000
Dec. 12, 2008 Soushi Priximo 3,700,000
Sep. 20, 2008 Jonio Parthenon 3,500,000
Jul. 4, 2008 Daiya Misao 3,600,000

And just incase you think people are selling the rings on AH, thats not the case
Dec. 2, 2008 Fuel Amehime 4,000,000
Nov. 28, 2008 Soth Gyungyun 4,000,000
Oct. 26, 2008 Fatimah Xpipix 3,500,000
Mar. 29, 2008 Son Son 100,000
Mar. 12, 2008 Ctsango Tessla 5,000,000


So they very well may be looking for Star Sapphires / Star Rings, but they just dont exist on their server. Shit happens.

You may to be a bit careful throwing around a retard tag. Star Sapphires go for whatever a seller wants to sell them for. I've seen people shouting to sell them for 5mil, usually a couple of times a month at least. They do exist. Rare, but they do. It's actually going to be my next purchase, if the ISNM doesn't drop it by the time I have the cash.

So if you really want to quibble over a mere 1 mil, in a thread talking about items that range from 60 to 170mil, then you, sir, would be the retard.

Damn, I allowed a child to pull me to his level.