Gunslinger's Renkei Chart- Aden's chart revisited, expanded!

Gunslinger · 10-23-2008, 10:41 AM

UPDATE: By popular request, I've linked to a PDF (standard size) and poster-sized PDF version below.

Those of you following the other thread have already given me a lot of very nice input on this, but it was time for me to stop thread-jacking Psymia's space and move this into its own topic.

Change Log:

Spoiler: show

Previous changes can be found in the old thread (although, I don't know why you'd be interested since this is the current working version!

As always, any input, corrections, etc, are appreciated and I will update them as soon as possible.

Standard Size WS Chart PDF

Poster Size WS Chart PDF

Tymon · 10-23-2008, 10:43 AM

This is really nice. Saved.

Indalecia · 10-23-2008, 10:57 AM

Fuck yeah, thanks.

Aquilla · 10-23-2008, 11:00 AM

woohoo! Thanks

Kriz · 10-23-2008, 11:05 AM

Catastrophe is under Staff!

Keyln · 10-23-2008, 11:09 AM

I love it! 'bout time someone updated that chart.

Gunslinger · 10-23-2008, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kriz

Catastrophe is under Staff!

Just trying to give some love to the

!

Fixed it, thanks

Reloaded in the OP, will just keep updating the OP since this has its own thread now.

fndragon · 10-23-2008, 11:27 AM

Can I humbly request for some color differentiation between level 1 and level 2 skillchains? Right now they're colored the same and it's impossible to go from a lv 2 back to a lv 1, hence some easy visual is needed.

Miraun · 10-23-2008, 11:28 AM

Missing A, B, C for priority on some of the PUP WSs... don't think it matters much though

Miraun · 10-23-2008, 11:29 AM

And Thanks, by the way

Valkrish · 10-23-2008, 11:36 AM

this is awesome.

Gunslinger · 10-23-2008, 11:38 AM

fndragon- if you want to give me an example of what you mean/want (MSPaint is fine) I'll take it into consideration. I thought the one-way arrows and names-on-arrows method worked pretty well, but I'm always open to input!

Miraun- you're welcome

, I'm doing it for myself too, since I only play melee jobs. If you want to make a list of A, B, and C properties for PUP WS's I'll add them. When I was originally adding them I had assigned A, B, and C; but upon analyzing the chart I found they weren't really needed since they didn't have an opportunity to use the priority (with the only exception I could find being Knockout, Detonation / Scission, I think). If I'm missing something and it's important to get in there, please let me know! I know next to nothing about pup WS and was using otherwiki, which I rarely trust.

I think there's probably a bit of useless elemental tagging in the chart as it was, but I just tried to copy it verbatim, then started working on updates/upgrades. Any changes that people would like to see / are logical I'd be happy to make (but it helps if you tell me specifically where to put it ^^ 'Ex: Reverberation, Scythe, 30 Dark Harvest, add "A", etc')

isladar · 10-23-2008, 11:43 AM

Brilliant, just have to make Tempyst download and memorize this for me.

Seraph · 10-23-2008, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunslinger

fndragon- if you want to give me an example of what you mean/want (MSPaint is fine) I'll take it into consideration. I thought the one-way arrows and names-on-arrows method worked pretty well, but I'm always open to input!

I think he means taking the background color blocks you placed in the upper right section (the four Lv2 Skillchain groups making Darkness and Light) and placing them behind the Lv 2 Skillchain arrows in the lower two-thirds of the chart. The Old Example (Left) below being what you have now, and the New Example (Right) being what I assumed you could add.

That's pretty much literally the only improvement I can think of.

Izzy · 10-23-2008, 11:51 AM

Awesome! Nice to see an updated chart using the same layout. I still wonder if there's some way you could make it cosmetically look a bit nicer. Ayden's still seems much eaiser to read to me, but I'll definitely be using yours for now on!

Cesaria · 10-23-2008, 12:04 PM

Awesome - now if only my printer wasn't buggered.

Asura_Zilla · 10-23-2008, 12:24 PM

/Saved. Thanks a lot!!

Xanthe · 10-23-2008, 12:36 PM

Excellent updates. Maybe increase the transparency a bit on the background colors? You can barely see the watermark images in some sections. I think it's also redundant to say "Zilart Relic" since Relic on its own denotes Dynamis WSs, and Mythic denotes Nyzul. For consistancy I would just refer to them as "Relic WS" and "Mythic WS", and drop the "Zilart Relic" portion of the title entirely from the Light and Darkness sections. The brakets on their own will denote Relic vs standard WSs. The background image transparency could also be reduced a little (opacity increased) for those two sections to increase visibility.

Darkyrm · 10-23-2008, 12:44 PM

Awesome, Ive allways used Aden Charts and loved it so really great to have an update.

fndragon · 10-23-2008, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seraph

I think he means taking the background color blocks you placed in the upper right section (the four Lv2 Skillchain groups making Darkness and Light) and placing them behind the Lv 2 Skillchain arrows in the lower two-thirds of the chart. The Old Example (Left) below being what you have now, and the New Example (Right) being what I assumed you could add.

That's pretty much literally the only improvement I can think of.

^ This is what I had in mind. Just some visual separation.

BeeMan · 10-23-2008, 01:00 PM

Nice job ^_^ thanks.... printed and posted next to monitor.

nekura · 10-23-2008, 01:07 PM

Sweet chart, time to print it out on work printers!

Stiker · 10-23-2008, 01:14 PM

Good work! Gonna keep my eye on this to see the updates you make!

Gunslinger · 10-23-2008, 01:48 PM

Alright, lots of good stuff in here

V1.6 is up in the OP. Change for 1.6:

-Fixed 2nd instance of Trueflight as "Archery" that I missed before
-New Light and Darkness image samples (thanks Radec for the source images)
-Level 2 skillchain boxes to help easily find them / identify
-Removal of "Zilart Relic," etc
-Increase opacity of Level 3 boxes to help balance the page, to assist with readability I played with the gradients to try to make a "half and half" split down the boxes... I don't know if it's hard for everyone else to read on the color change, but it was a bit tough for me.
-Played with the opacity of some of the watermark images, seems to be hard to increase their opacity without making it a bit harder to read... may play with it again in the future.

Seraph · 10-23-2008, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunslinger

-New Light and Darkness image samples (thanks Radec for the source images)
-Level 2 skillchain boxes to help easily find them / identify

Awesome, exactly what I was looking for. This is very easy for me to read, and definately printable. Fantastic job.

ronin sparthos · 10-23-2008, 02:10 PM

Awesome stuff, its good to see an expansion on the old Renkei chart.

Xanthe · 10-23-2008, 02:22 PM

Mmm, now this is looking really good. The background color and watermark balance is spot on. Also digging the new Light/Darkness icons. Kudos to Radec for providing those. Excellent work!

Heywood · 10-23-2008, 02:29 PM

"Invalid Attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator."

I get that message when trying to download 1.6, anyone else or is it just me?

nvmd, workin now

Gunslinger · 10-23-2008, 02:32 PM

Sorry, probably get that when I do revisions without saying anything ^^; Have to take the old file down and put the new one up- Radec found a few more things, think it's about done on the typos... maybe :3

Kittyn · 10-23-2008, 03:04 PM

I love it! Thanks!

10-23-2008, 10:43 AM	#2
Tymon Bagel Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 1,452 FFXI Server: Quetzalcoatl WoW Realm: Bloodscalp	This is really nice. Saved.

10-23-2008, 10:57 AM	#3
Indalecia E. Body Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Midgardsummoner Posts: 2,110 FFXI Server: Midgardsormr	Fuck yeah, thanks.

10-23-2008, 11:00 AM	#4
Aquilla Fake Numbers Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 93 FFXI Server: Valefor	woohoo! Thanks

10-23-2008, 11:05 AM	#5
Kriz Sea Torques Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 637 FFXI Server: Valefor	Catastrophe is under Staff!

10-23-2008, 11:09 AM	#6
Keyln Spam Forum Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 161	I love it! 'bout time someone updated that chart.

10-23-2008, 11:27 AM	#8
fndragon Space Pope Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 332	Can I humbly request for some color differentiation between level 1 and level 2 skillchains? Right now they're colored the same and it's impossible to go from a lv 2 back to a lv 1, hence some easy visual is needed.

10-23-2008, 11:28 AM	#9
Miraun Relic Weapons Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Waltham, MA Posts: 301 FFXI Server: Phoenix	Missing A, B, C for priority on some of the PUP WSs... don't think it matters much though

10-23-2008, 11:29 AM	#10
Miraun Relic Weapons Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Waltham, MA Posts: 301 FFXI Server: Phoenix	And Thanks, by the way

10-23-2008, 11:36 AM	#11
Valkrish Sea Torques Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Everywhere. Posts: 583 FFXI Server: Sylph	this is awesome.

10-23-2008, 11:38 AM	#12
Gunslinger Relic Weapons Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 338	fndragon- if you want to give me an example of what you mean/want (MSPaint is fine) I'll take it into consideration. I thought the one-way arrows and names-on-arrows method worked pretty well, but I'm always open to input! Miraun- you're welcome , I'm doing it for myself too, since I only play melee jobs. If you want to make a list of A, B, and C properties for PUP WS's I'll add them. When I was originally adding them I had assigned A, B, and C; but upon analyzing the chart I found they weren't really needed since they didn't have an opportunity to use the priority (with the only exception I could find being Knockout, Detonation / Scission, I think). If I'm missing something and it's important to get in there, please let me know! I know next to nothing about pup WS and was using otherwiki, which I rarely trust. I think there's probably a bit of useless elemental tagging in the chart as it was, but I just tried to copy it verbatim, then started working on updates/upgrades. Any changes that people would like to see / are logical I'd be happy to make (but it helps if you tell me specifically where to put it ^^ 'Ex: Reverberation, Scythe, 30 Dark Harvest, add "A", etc')

10-23-2008, 11:43 AM	#13
isladar DEUS VULT FITE ME Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The BG Lady Moderators' Auxiliary Society for the Advancement of WTF IMMA REDERATE YO FACE Posts: 2,574 FFXI Server: Caitsith	Brilliant, just have to make Tempyst download and memorize this for me.

10-23-2008, 11:51 AM	#15
Izzy WASTE OF CURRENCY Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 4,693 FFXI Server: Phoenix WoW Realm: Arthas	Awesome! Nice to see an updated chart using the same layout. I still wonder if there's some way you could make it cosmetically look a bit nicer. Ayden's still seems much eaiser to read to me, but I'll definitely be using yours for now on!

10-23-2008, 12:04 PM	#16
Cesaria Salvage Bans Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Nottingham, England Posts: 813	Awesome - now if only my printer wasn't buggered.

10-23-2008, 12:24 PM	#17
Asura_Zilla Sea Torques Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 506 FFXI Server: Leviathan	/Saved. Thanks a lot!!

10-23-2008, 12:36 PM	#18
Xanthe E. Body Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 2,086 FFXI Server: Carbuncle	Excellent updates. Maybe increase the transparency a bit on the background colors? You can barely see the watermark images in some sections. I think it's also redundant to say "Zilart Relic" since Relic on its own denotes Dynamis WSs, and Mythic denotes Nyzul. For consistancy I would just refer to them as "Relic WS" and "Mythic WS", and drop the "Zilart Relic" portion of the title entirely from the Light and Darkness sections. The brakets on their own will denote Relic vs standard WSs. The background image transparency could also be reduced a little (opacity increased) for those two sections to increase visibility.

10-23-2008, 12:44 PM	#19
Darkyrm Fake Numbers Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 95	Awesome, Ive allways used Aden Charts and loved it so really great to have an update.

10-23-2008, 01:00 PM	#21
BeeMan Melee Summoner Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Round Rock, Tx. Posts: 12	Nice job ^_^ thanks.... printed and posted next to monitor.

10-23-2008, 01:07 PM	#22
nekura Clever and witty, all together the ladies love the Nekura Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 775 FFXI Server: Phoenix	Sweet chart, time to print it out on work printers!

10-23-2008, 01:14 PM	#23
Stiker Sponsored by Orton Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Irving, TX Posts: 3,349 FFXI Server: Valefor	Good work! Gonna keep my eye on this to see the updates you make!

10-23-2008, 01:48 PM	#24
Gunslinger Relic Weapons Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 338	Alright, lots of good stuff in here V1.6 is up in the OP. Change for 1.6: -Fixed 2nd instance of Trueflight as "Archery" that I missed before -New Light and Darkness image samples (thanks Radec for the source images) -Level 2 skillchain boxes to help easily find them / identify -Removal of "Zilart Relic," etc -Increase opacity of Level 3 boxes to help balance the page, to assist with readability I played with the gradients to try to make a "half and half" split down the boxes... I don't know if it's hard for everyone else to read on the color change, but it was a bit tough for me. -Played with the opacity of some of the watermark images, seems to be hard to increase their opacity without making it a bit harder to read... may play with it again in the future.

10-23-2008, 02:10 PM	#26
ronin sparthos Chram Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,799	Awesome stuff, its good to see an expansion on the old Renkei chart.

10-23-2008, 02:22 PM	#27
Xanthe E. Body Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 2,086 FFXI Server: Carbuncle	Mmm, now this is looking really good. The background color and watermark balance is spot on. Also digging the new Light/Darkness icons. Kudos to Radec for providing those. Excellent work!

10-23-2008, 02:29 PM	#28
Heywood JaBlowMe Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 23	"Invalid Attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator." I get that message when trying to download 1.6, anyone else or is it just me? nvmd, workin now

10-23-2008, 02:32 PM	#29
Gunslinger Relic Weapons Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 338	Sorry, probably get that when I do revisions without saying anything ^^; Have to take the old file down and put the new one up- Radec found a few more things, think it's about done on the typos... maybe :3

10-23-2008, 03:04 PM	#30
Kittyn Hydra Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 117	I love it! Thanks!

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