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06-23-2008, 12:20 PM
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Case Study: Squids, Formerly
I was reading the threads and some info seemed to go by in passing but was not really expanded upon. Again my apologies for a new thread.
1) Is there a text indicator for counter attack? I don't think I have seen: "Mob X's attack is countered, Mob X receives y damage." 2) Does support job Mnk and Traits give counter? Last edited by Phraust; 07-17-2008 at 12:16 PM. |
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06-23-2008, 12:24 PM
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Re: Mnk and /Mnk.
I believe you can counter, but only certain mob types can? I think I remember I had problems with my monk crab, it wouldn't counter or guard or something right. Not sure about sj mnk.
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06-23-2008, 12:27 PM
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Re: Mnk and /Mnk.
YES, there is text for a counter.
NO, /MNK does not seem to counter (even with job traits), [I could be wrong on the second one] Since you brought it up. MNK mobs can counter and guard, can a skeleton mob with club/shield parry and shield block if its say war/ +job traits? (sorry to change your topic some lol) [edit] spelling |
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06-23-2008, 03:11 PM
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Re: Mnk and /Mnk.
oi fuck...
Well on the bright side, I saved 20 points I guess I will just use on HP+ which will be just liek /mnk... I know Sea Monk/Kraken can be main mnk. But I am wonderign if it's be better to keep it war, and hop up it's Double attack and have a lower weaon delay or switch it to Mnk main and gain Counter and more HP... Original Plan was: Kraken War: Innate: Auto-Rgain Innate: Str +25 12 War Traits 08 Mnk Sub 12 Mnk Traits 38 En-Drain 70/70 Right now I slapped En-Sleep on it to see what that does... I read it basically doubles your next attack's damage, and considering my Squid Cross-Attacks every other attack round... Option B: Innate: Auto-Rgain Innate: Str +25 12 War Traits 23 En-Sleep 23 Str Bonus (Does it stack w/Str+25?) Would get me massive Weaponskills, with War Bonuses. Option C: Innate: Auto-Rgain Innate: Str +25 12 War Traits 58 Triple Attack Ridill Squid? Attacks 2-3 times? Option D: Innate: Auto-Rgain Innate: Str +25 08 Mnk Main 12 Mnk Traits 38 En-Drain 08 Vermin Killer (for Chigoes) On Option B, would I be better off using "xxxxx Attack bonus" as soon as I figure out what the element of Cross Attack/Tenticle is? Or just dump Str in it? (Seems that Str is a massive part of both WS.) I went this route mainly because the Squid will hit Hard and fast, it usually clears any kind of Stoneskin or goes through any buff present in nothign flat. Would En-Sleep be better? Or En-Drain, I hear En-Drian is like Blood Weapon when capped, and being that my squid hits mobs 2-3 levels higher than it for about 150/swing, that could make up for the lack of defense... Man... Just too many options here. |
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06-23-2008, 03:16 PM
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Re: Mnk and /Mnk.
The best thing to do is find out what you want to beat, and work with that. And yes, str bonus does stack with +25 str (and also with +50 for a total of +125 or so lol). I'm also kind of against large FP skills (ie triple attack) because theres usually other stuff that works just as well for a cheaper price. That stuff is best saved as an innate.
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06-23-2008, 03:35 PM
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Re: Mnk and /Mnk.
if you want to ensleep, go war/ otherwise mnk/+traits is very nice. A nice combo is mnk/war and traits for both, granted that limits you down to one more Skill before the five cap but with str+25/auto-regain as an innate don't think you'd be hurting to much to deal dmg and the counter/guard/hp will add to surviability, and at lv50 will have double atack. so if you go mnk/war+traits x 2 will still have 30FP for say STR+50 could be pretty mean, dunno lol.
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06-23-2008, 03:47 PM
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Re: Mnk and /Mnk.
Well Assuming that Cross-Attack & Tenticle are Water Based attacks, they might be Neutral, but let's assume.
Innate: Auto-Regain Innate: Str+25 23 Str Bonus 30 Str+50 17 Water Attack Bonus 08 Killer Bonus of some kind. 68/70 That'd Be some kind of Whoop-ass right there. Comparign squids, it seems like Cross-Attack and Tenticle are both base damage + Str x 1.5, Cross attack being a 2-hit Ws, at 50, based off of my other older squid, and comparing it to the above, I am looking at roughly 850 damage Weaponskills, raw, 1,700 for Cross Attack? Guess I can always Re-Spec, I wish I had like 3 Squids with the regain to test out... Suppose I could go Hunting for more. Has it been unheard of to get Attack Speed bonus on a random mob? I assume any mob could have any trait native based on luck, but idk... Been thorugh a lot of squids. But I also got nearly 30k Jettons... |
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06-23-2008, 04:05 PM
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Re: Mnk and /Mnk.
only ASB i know of for a fact is from chigeo and bees, and some people saying opo's (i've seen opos that attack so fast its gotta be ASB). I'm not sure if auto-regain is an all mob innate, i've wasted alot of time trying to get it on a wyvern and no luck yet.
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06-30-2008, 06:19 PM
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Re: Mnk and /Mnk.
Just updating in case anyone was curious:
Original Plan was: Kraken War/Mnk: Innate: Auto-Rgain Innate: Str +25 12 War Traits 08 Mnk Sub 12 Mnk Traits 38 En-Drain 70/70 Option B: Innate: Auto-Rgain Innate: Str +25 12 War Traits 23 En-Sleep 23 Str Bonus (Does it stack w/Str+25?) Would get me massive Weaponskills, with War Bonuses. Option C: Innate: Auto-Rgain Innate: Str +25 12 War Traits 58 Triple Attack Ridill Squid? Attacks 2-3 times? Option D: Innate: Auto-Rgain Innate: Str +25 08 Mnk Main 12 Mnk Traits 38 En-Drain 08 Vermin Killer (for Chigoes) War/Mnk En-Drain build worked well never lost versus generated mobs, held well in Diablos, but was no winner. Boxes still reign on my server. En-Drain was piss-poor, only did about 15 HP return 3x a fight. Bad investment. I then Tried the Ridill Squid. It does really well, kills things fast, and puts up with side steppers better, as WS are almost useless on them. Trip-Att doesn't seem to activate on Weaponskills, but Double attack does. I think there's a differentiation on if it's "Job innate" versus "Added Skill". It killed things FAST a few fights were a pair of double triple attacks and a weaponskill. Attempting to make a box basher atm, got a new reflector with Innate Regain and Attack bonus: Innate: Auto-Regain Innate: Attack bonus 17 Water Attack Bonus 23 Strength Bonus 12 Job Trait Warrior 17 Strength +25 This should get me some healthy Weaponskills on boxes. Tempted to drop the Str+25 for Arcana Killer... How potent are the "Killer" effects? |
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07-01-2008, 10:42 AM
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07-01-2008, 02:56 PM
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07-01-2008, 03:19 PM
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Re: Case Study: Squids, Formerly:(Mnk and /Mnk)
Im not sure its worth going out of your way for drk job + drk traits just for that. They might stack but it's impossible to tell, killer effects are pretty strong even without them.
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07-01-2008, 04:04 PM
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Re: Case Study: Squids, Formerly:(Mnk and /Mnk)
Lamia Idolator come as DRK/THF naturally, so 12FP+8FP to do killer effect and DRK Job Traits. Not to mention Undead and Arcana intimidate each other on the monster orders just like demons and dragons do, and yes the effect seems to stack with the natural intimidate, Not sure if the job traits stack with the killer plates.
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07-01-2008, 04:15 PM
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07-01-2008, 11:15 PM
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Re: Case Study: Squids, Formerly:(Mnk and /Mnk)
Personally I would add defensive buffs over water attack bonus and str+25. With regain and attack bonus your biggest downfall now is low HP and defense.
Unless intimidation stops mimics from WSing when you WS, of which I'm not sure, but defensive buffs would also help you more against other mob types while still being able to kill mimic. If you keep dethroning some dudes mimic someone is gonna notice and go evasion build/chigoe on your ass. I know all mobs have their downfalls but I think your innates are great and can make a long streak diablo champ.
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07-02-2008, 07:10 AM
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Wait, wait... so you CAN intimidate Elementals? They qualify as arcana in Pankration? BRB taking pictures of undead to get Arcana Killer if this is true, can I get confirmation please? Don't need a SS just a bunch of people attesting to Elementals in Pankration being Intimidated by Arcana Killer / Undead mob types, as I haven't seen it yet.
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07-02-2008, 08:12 AM
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07-02-2008, 09:22 PM
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I feel I should add to what I said...
In my experience leveling a ghost, elementals would be intimidated by it and it would intimidate elementals. This suggests the arcana <> undead relationship. However, I have a 2nd ghost with innate arcana killer at lv50 and haven't had many chances to fight elementals with it yet. However, I did fight one Ice elemental and my ghost was intimidated by it twice in a match with no intimidates in the other direction. If I get to fight more elementals with this ghost, I will post again. |
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07-03-2008, 12:03 AM
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i have a lv50 dark ele, and yes they can intimidate undead and vice versa. If you want a good ele killer, id say arcana killer on a ghost will work well. I had a hard time fighting a lv50 ghost here that was trained to constantly spam ectosmash.
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07-08-2008, 10:29 PM
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Having fought several elementals now with my ghost that has maxed innate Arcana Killer... it appears to me that intimidation in this case does not work beyond species classification. My ghost which will intimidate other Arcana (mimics, weapons, etc) several times in a match rarely intimidates elementals at all and seems to get intimidated by them usually like I mentioned in my last post.
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