Questions

[Maguspk]

I'm new to Pankration and since I've been flooding other threads with questions I figured it might be a little more appropriate to simply make my own thread and use it for questions anyone might have or wish to answer :/

Anyway, I think it was Kuno who mentioned Rams being able to give resist pretrify and I decided to use my last 4 plates before refilling. I got 3 successes and 1 failure, all 3 were STR+25, so I decided to turn them into Reflectors to check their skills. The first two were all blank no skills, the third has HP Max+15% and STR+25, is that a keeper? For a Ram I figured it was nice to have double innates that are helpful, maybe give him a defense setup or something?

I also 'Reflector'ed a slime and it turned out to be a BLM and have MP Max+15%, is that worth keeping? I really don't know what's good and what's not for innates, if anyone could direct me to a site or something that shows which innates are possible or discovered so I could decide whether it's the optimal or not instead of asking so frequently that'd be cool too. Either way, I appreciate any and all help, thanks.

[Halion]

Innate Slot 1: Whatever is on the plate
Innate Slot 2: Confirmed HP/MP/Defense/MAB +15%, Resist [Anything?]Damage Resistance Bonus, Auto Regen/Refresh/Regain Suspected MDB/[Element]Resistance/+15%

I might be forgetting some but that's most f it.

[Not Kuno]

I've seen Store TP, Magic Resitance Bonus, Damage Resistance Bonus, Attack +15%, Magic Attack +15%. Maybe more I forgot.

[Maguspk]

Originally Posted by Not Kuno

I've seen Store TP, Magic Resitance Bonus, Damage Resistance Bonus, Attack +15%, Magic Attack +15%. Maybe more I forgot.

Eh considering DRB mine sucks because any good slime should probably have that. Thanks

[Not Kuno]

Well some are more common then others.


Damage Resistance Bonus was not one of those. It was VERY rare. I mean, I try to get stuff like Auto-Regen and Auto-Regain and those are a pain, but I've only seen DRB 2 times in all my plates (that's around 1/500 or so chance). The only thing rarer was Magic Resitance Bonus which I only saw once (1/1000).

Stuff like Attack +15% isn't too rare. Maybe 1/25? HP +25% isn't too rare either. Both of those are nice onces if you get a good 'plate' innate with it, and don't want to go nuts trying to get regen/regain.

[Maguspk]

Ok, so I got a BLM friend and went and grabbed Chigoes and snapped 16 plates before he had to go. Anyway, none of them were Atk Spd Bonus which surprised me because my first plate I ever took a few days back was a Chigoe and it was Atk Spd Bonus, but didn't get Innate. So I have to ask, is Atk Spd Bonus that rare, and if so is the innate even more rare? Meaning it's extremely unlikely to get both?

Or... can you get Atk Spd Bonus as an innate without it being on the plate? Because I got some Atk Spd+50 and Dex+25, one Acc+15%, so those seem to be decent if I somehow got Atk Spd Bonus as the second innate, but this is only true if Atk Spd Bonus doesn't have to be on the plate to be an innate.

edit:

Just got my first Atk Spd Bonus after about the 25th pokesnap.

Such other spectacular plates being:

Plantoid Killer
Vit+25
Earth Attack Bonus
Defense Bonus

I did get a few Viral Attack though, which made me wonder, does this count as your atk effect skill or can you add another on top of it?

Another question, Attack Speed +50 is supposed to be increasing the Attack Speed by 50, but doesn't attack speed bonus increase it by 1 for each level and reaches max at 50? So isn't a level 50 pet going to have the same attack speed bonus with atk speed+50 and atk spd bonus skills?

[Maxxthepenguin]

It's always seemed to me that leveled feral skills max out at twice the power of the static # feral skills.

[Maguspk]

Originally Posted by Maxxthepenguin

It's always seemed to me that leveled feral skills max out at twice the power of the static # feral skills.

Yeh but you have to consider every case where that happens the trait is usually a number like 25, whereas the leveable versions are 1-50 so they reach the same bonus but at 50 instead of 25. It probably just goes up by +2 to atk spd per level for the atk spd bonus skill to make up for the weaker version already being atk bonus+50.

Anyway... the real question I had was whether or not a Chigoe can get Atk Spd Bonus as an innate if it's plate doesn't have Atk Spd Bonus. My inventories are maxed out on plates and I want to know which ones I can toss. If all plates have a chance at Atk Spd Bonus then I would just try them all. If it needs to have Atk Spd Bonus on the plate to get it as an innate then that would narrow down which plates I should even bother with by a large margin. Also, is it guaranteed that the innate you'll get will be the plate ability? Like if the plate says Atk Spd Bonus, could I get a Chigoe with like vit+25 and acc+15% innate or something?

[Not Kuno]

Why can't you turn them all into reflectors and just toss the crappy ones? You can have regular soul reflectors with an official one too.

Originally Posted by Maguspk

If it needs to have Atk Spd Bonus on the plate to get it as an innate then that would narrow down which plates I should even bother with by a large margin. Also, is it guaranteed that the innate you'll get will be the plate ability?

I've never seen attack speed bonus randomly appear, but it might. It's not guarenteed attack speed bonus will be there if you have the plate, but it can be there as the first innate. Remember there are 2 innate slots, the first is the plate one and the second one is random. They can't both be random, but you can have only the first one (the plate innate) or only the second one (random one), both or none.

Originally Posted by Maguspk

Like if the plate says Atk Spd Bonus, could I get a Chigoe with like vit+25 and acc+15% innate or something?

If it says attack speed bonus you can get Attack speed and Attack +15%, but not something not attack speed and something extra. You can get just the something extra w/no attack speed. It's kinda confusing but once you turn in a bajillion you'll get it.

[Halion]

Attack speed is "rare" like anything that you might have bad luck on is. I've seen both ends of the spectrum with it taking 300+ tries, and only 1. It is however literally more rare than something like a killer effect or a stat+25 will be, if that's what you mean.
My personal bane is instant phalanx which I gave up on getting for a while after like 4 cameras.

[Maguspk]

Originally Posted by Not Kuno

Why can't you turn them all into reflectors and just toss the crappy ones? You can have regular soul reflectors with an official one too.

I've never seen attack speed bonus randomly appear, but it might. It's not guarenteed attack speed bonus will be there if you have the plate, but it can be there as the first innate. Remember there are 2 innate slots, the first is the plate one and the second one is random. They can't both be random, but you can have only the first one (the plate innate) or only the second one (random one), both or none.

If it says attack speed bonus you can get Attack speed and Attack +15%, but not something not attack speed and something extra. You can get just the something extra w/no attack speed. It's kinda confusing but once you turn in a bajillion you'll get it.

Ah this helps immensely. It narrows down the plates I'll keep by a ton and saves me the trouble of buying ice crystals and doing all that trading. I figure I'll just reflector the ones with decent plate stats on the off chance they might get atk spd bonus as the 2nd innate (random). Otherwise I'll toss the ones like VIT+25 and Defense Bonus and Plantoid Killer.

Just to make sure though, if a monster gets something like Viral Attack as it's innate that counts as it's additional effect right? You can't add another effect like Petrifying Attack, on top of that, correct? Just making sure so I can add Viral Attack Chigoes to my auto-toss list too.

[Not Kuno]

You can't start with enspells as innates, actually. So those are pretty much worthless. >.>

[Maguspk]

Originally Posted by Not Kuno

You can't start with enspells as innates, actually. So those are pretty much worthless. >.>

Ah ok, thanks again

[Maguspk]

Ok so I've been snapping Chigoe all night outside Nashmau the weakest ones I could find because I'm a WHM.

All I seem to get is
Acc+15%
Plantoid Killer
Viral Attack
Acc Bonus
Dex+25
Atk Spd+50

Basically, everything except the Atk Spd Bonus skill. Is this because of the type of Chigoe being weak that they give the less desirable plates? As it stands I'm blowing freakin 500 jetton to get the 48 camera and not a single of those 48 gave me an Atk Spd Bonus. It is becoming stupid. I read about people only having to do it about 200 times, but I'm coming up on 150 after I finish this set and I have only gotten four Atk Spd Bonus plates for Chigoe; obviously none were innate. So can anyone recommend what they did or what I'm doing wrong? I'm tossing all the plates except the ones like Acc Bonus and Atk Spd+50 on the off chance they innate to give Atk SpD Bonus, or is this also a waste of my time? This is probably one of the most tedious things I've ever done... wtf was the creator thinking...

[Not Kuno]

I've found that the higher level mobs give better plates. And yes, when I tried to get attack speed bonus for my bee it was not very common.

[Maguspk]

I talked to some JP last night and he told me to try aydeewa subterrane so I guess I'll try that; the Chigoes there shouldn't totally own me and maybe give better plates. He also mentioned only 1 in 60 being an attack speed bonus plate which is consistent with what I'm experiencing and said it took him 6 tries to get it latent and he didn't bother going for 2(|Starting Gear|)s as we referred to them lol. So I guess I've got a long way to go if I'm lucky like him and even farther if I'm not haha..

edit: I couldn't even find Chigoes there even though I distinctly remember them aggroing me often when me and some friends were trying to do some NM. This is so freaking stupid lol... I just want the freakin plate!! gah.

[neira]

I have a "Chigeo" with innate attack speed bonus and resist sleep.

I found a pretty safe place this should work for you also even as whm, just sub /blm for sleepga incase you get more than one. If you take the staging point that leads to the "IMP" camp, and go past the two pools that have Junn's in them then hang a right and go down into the tunnel, at the end the tunnel there will be some leeches (then don't aggro) and nothing else, you can walk out to the leeches with blink and stoneskin up and aggro a chigeo, then run back to the tunnel and sleep if and snap your photos, you shuld be able to get 2photos off before it wakes up. I had the vermin feral drain hat and out of 48 photos i got 5attack speed bonus plates and two attack speed+50 plates, one of my attack speed bonus plates was my chigeo, none of the other speed plates had ANYTHING at all on them.

Just beareful, there is an IMP you'll have to navigate past at the entrance to the tunnel if no BLM's are soloing them at the time, but if you're patient you can get by him without aggroing it. Highly suggest going HQ camera and film if you arent alrdy.

[Maguspk]

Originally Posted by neira

I have a "Chigeo" with innate attack speed bonus and resist sleep.

I found a pretty safe place this should work for you also even as whm, just sub /blm for sleepga incase you get more than one. If you take the staging point that leads to the "IMP" camp, and go past the two pools that have Junn's in them then hang a right and go down into the tunnel, at the end the tunnel there will be some leeches (then don't aggro) and nothing else, you can walk out to the leeches with blink and stoneskin up and aggro a chigeo, then run back to the tunnel and sleep if and snap your photos, you shuld be able to get 2photos off before it wakes up. I had the vermin feral drain hat and out of 48 photos i got 5attack speed bonus plates and two attack speed+50 plates, one of my attack speed bonus plates was my chigeo, none of the other speed plates had ANYTHING at all on them.

Just beareful, there is an IMP you'll have to navigate past at the entrance to the tunnel if no BLM's are soloing them at the time, but if you're patient you can get by him without aggroing it. Highly suggest going HQ camera and film if you arent alrdy.

There is no way I can earn enough jettons to buy HQ film... that's ridiculously priced. I only have like 2.3k Jettons. I buy the 2 jetton camera and 500 jetton camera and then 5 stacks of plates. That's a grand total of 512 for 60 photos. I think that's my best bet considering I have no way to make Jettons without whoring out my IS points which I don't have many of. Anyway... I have like 5 atk spd bonus plates. can't get online to take more because of this update bullshit but I am saving up for 12 before I go and just reflector them. Figure I'll have a better shot that way bound to have one with innate atk spd bonus.

[Halion]

So level another pet in the mean time that's not meant to be your prize winner, and make jettons.

[Maguspk]

Ok so I finally got my Chigoe

It has innate Atk Spd Bonus and HP+15%, the second trait is better than nothing I guess.

Anyway, I'm trying to decide which plates to use for now

I'm thinking one of these for it's final setup *'s denote adding them as the JP is available:

Petrifying Attack/Dispelling Attack (Where do I get dispelling attack? I'm assuming it's 58 like petrifiying)
Instant Stoneskin
Job Trait: Thief*
Instant Blink*

or

Petrifying Attack/Dispelling Attack
Evasion Bonus*
Instant Blink/Stoneskin

What do you guys think of these setups? Is Evasion Bonus worth not having Thief Job Traits and an Instant for? Is Petrifying and Dispelling the way to go? I've seen a Dispelling chigoe at work and it was really good so that's what brought it to consideration for me. Where would I get Dispelling Attack anyway?

[Halion]

Petrifying versus Dispelling is highly dependent on the people who play most often on your server and what their set ups are, as Petrifying will help you stay alive but not help your kill speed and Dispel is the only way you have a chance in hell of taking down Instant buffed mobs. If a lot of them on your server run with Instant Phalanx/Protect/Stoneskin/Blaze Spikes then dispel is what you need on your Chigoe to put them down before they can get TP and kill you. If on the other hand they run with more offensive set ups (or even if BLMs are popular), seemingly hard hitting and accurate, or with En-spells then you want to use Petrify.
My suggestions after deciding that would be between
Petrify/Stoneskin/JT/Blink
Dispel/Evasion Bonus/Evasion+15%/JT/Blink

THF JT is only about 10% Evasion but for the FP cost versus the alternatives.. most JTs are efficient and pretty much the only thing you can fit in that last slot when you're nearing max FP capacity.

http://www.linkshells.org/Ara's_almostl ... 509/tm.htm
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Feral_Skills
Between these 2 you should be able to find anything except the newest plates as neither gets updated anymore. It would be great to keep something similar on the BG wiki but I have no idea how to go about it without using some of their information and I do believe that would be frowned upon.