To Chigeo users

[neira]

I managed to get a Chigeo with innate Attack Speed Bonus and Resist Sleep on it..I have put Additional Lightning Damage, Blink, Stoneskin on him so far, plannig to THF job Traits for a cheak Evasion boost on him soon as FP is high enough.

He does very well even against things a few levels higher, but i was wondering if any one had some pointers as to how to increase his survival more, because if a mob burns his blink and stoneskin he dies very fast. (stoneskin isnt Max Skill yet)

Current FP used: [100FP@Lv.50]
Attack Speed Bonus FP-0
Resist Sleep FP-0
Instant Blink FP-12
Instant Stoneskin FP-17
Additional Lightning Damage FP-47
Job Traits Thief FP-12

Remaining FP-12open...

Any ideas how things i should change, keep, do with remaining FP etc.?

[Asdra]

I'd say add the levelable HP boost probably, or even something like war subjob for the HP and nothing else.

Not many things you can add for 12 or less. Just subjobs, killer traits, and the HP boosts since you already have thief traits added.

It basicly comes down to flat HP, subjob for HP and minor stat boosts, or a situational killer effect against whatever mob type is popular on your server.

[Maguspk]

I am new to pankration and I don't want to start a new thread so I will try to hijack this one with a quick question...

I caught a Chigoe and turned it into an offical soul reflector and have been putting it up against the champion all night. It's now level 10 (started at 7) and I don't see any innate traits. Now I read through some threads and it seems innate traits appear randomly after you turn it into a Soul Reflector? So do I just need to keep catching Chigoe until they get the innate Attack Speed Bonus? Does this make their attacking even faster because as it is now it's attacking pretty fast when it isn't being one-shotted >.>

That leads to my second question, would an NM chigoe have more HP or better stats necessarily? How does that work because quite honestly I had trouble finding a Chigoe to capture and barely caught one after 2 aggroed me and an Imp aggroed me too. Any suggestions on where I can go to capture me some Chigoe? I'm a WHM btw so I basically SS/P4 and run around hoping to aggro one and pray I can get a capture in before SS/Sleep wears.

[Halion]

Originally Posted by Maguspk

So do I just need to keep catching Chigoe until they get the innate Attack Speed Bonus?

Yes

Originally Posted by Maguspk

Does this make their attacking even faster because as it is now it's attacking pretty fast when it isn't being one-shotted >.>

Yes

Originally Posted by Maguspk

That leads to my second question, would an NM chigoe have more HP or better stats necessarily?

No, NM only helps if it has a different main or adds an SJ.
If you don't want to aggro more just look carefully to find a single instead of running around aimlessly, you can see them even though they have no name.

[Maguspk]

Originally Posted by Halion

Yes

Yes

No, NM only helps if it has a different main or adds an SJ.
If you don't want to aggro more just look carefully to find a single instead of running around aimlessly, you can see them even though they have no name.

Thanks. Also, I was curios if maybe En-element paired with the +25 element damage skill would be good for a Chigoe. It seems everyone opts for en-status like petrify or dispel; obviously stun or elemental damages are inferior but how so? From what I've read elemental enspells do upwards of 50 dmg (is that with or without the bonus) so on a Chigoe this would add up quickly no? Maybe even paired with a Instant Stoneskin and evasion ups? Also, do ens proc 100% and how often on average do status' proc on hit?

[Not Kuno]

En-damage procs all the time. It's greatly nerfed if the opponent has phalanx, however.

En-status doesn't proc all the time. It shows alot on Chigoes, however as they attack fast. Enstun isn't great as it does not last too long, petrify seems to be the popular one if you want to disable your oponent.

[Ruth]

To the OP:

Personally I put Beast Killer on mine to help against Hares and Opo-opos. I've also been thinking into looking at ice resistence instead, although I don't know how many FP that is off hand. Reason for this is most people put on ice spikes when they do put spikes on because of the paralyze Additional Effect. The paralyze isn't the problem so much as a Chigoe will tend to suicide it's self on spikes when the opponent has high HP.

[neira]

I have changed mi chigger to try something that hopefully is solid.

Innate: Attack Speed Bonus/Resist Sleep
Petrify Attacks
Instant Shell
Instant Stoneskin
Beast Killer

My idea behind the beast killer is obviouse, i may change the stoneskin to protect but not sure, the shell how ever i have tested, its remarkably effective against spikes and nukes, the 35dmg from blaze spikes was reduced to 5-10 on another pet i first tried it with.

the setup above i think/hope will make it so i can kill before killing myself on spikes, however i am concerned about the drop in dmg, i watched a Spheroid with petrify attacks and noticed something i wasn't expecting, it did double dmg like ensleep when the mob was stoned, and i know from experience with ensleep that te sneak attack effect stacks with the bonuse sleep dmg, so hopefully i can side rape mobs while they are K.O.ed, cause my chigeo already bounces in circles around all mobs, even Whirl Claws (which suprised me).

[edit]wasn't a sphereoid, was a ram.

[Asdra]

Ensleep sucks on chigoes, and on mobs that are monk type.

The extra damage barely procs because apparently there needs to be a minimum time between attack rounds for the double damage to land.

[neira]

I'm not using ensleep lol, using enpetrify. . .

[edit] and i made a post in the past "MNK's + Ensleep=lol" about it.

[Maguspk]

Originally Posted by Not Kuno

En-damage procs all the time. It's greatly nerfed if the opponent has phalanx, however.

En-status doesn't proc all the time. It shows alot on Chigoes, however as they attack fast. Enstun isn't great as it does not last too long, petrify seems to be the popular one if you want to disable your oponent.

Thanks, very helpful post. I just came back from a long break from the game and this whole mini game/activity seems like alot of fun.

One last question for now though, how do you get en-pretify. I've tried varios wikipediaesque sites but alot of things aren't shown. What do you all use for information, like where to find what innates are possible and what mobs give what soul plates, etc.

[Not Kuno]

I never got enpetrify but I would assume rams give it. Mobs that have a weaponskill that inflict ___ seem to drop plates that correspond to that blank.

[Maguspk]

Originally Posted by Not Kuno

I never got enpetrify but I would assume rams give it. Mobs that have a weaponskill that inflict ___ seem to drop plates that correspond to that blank.

hmmm, time to go camp those rams in the Crag zones I guess haha... anyone know a good place to camp Chigoes? I remember being really annoyed by them on the day of release and then afterwards never encountering them again having learned to just sneak by em. I think I'm going to try running outside Nashmau later tonight after Dynamis but if anyone has a good spot they've used I'd be really appreciative. Going to try and level up my Chigoe with Petrify on so that by the time it's 20ish it will have the max En Petrify and be able to beat people higher than it, hopefully.

[Akashimo]

Originally Posted by Maguspk

II think I'm going to try running outside Nashmau later tonight after Dynamis but if anyone has a good spot they've used I'd be really appreciative.

In Grauberg[S] where the Notty Treants are there's plent of EP/DC chigoes there. Also that area makes it easy to spot them when they haven't aggroed :3
Have fun.

[Arkanna]

Originally Posted by Akashimo

Have fun.

I'm sure he did, 7 months ago when he posted.

[Thorny]

Originally Posted by Halion

Yes

Yes

No, NM only helps if it has a different main or adds an SJ.
If you don't want to aggro more just look carefully to find a single instead of running around aimlessly, you can see them even though they have no name.

Chigre looks pretty awesome, if you can get an attack speed bonus plate from him I'd say it's worth the extra effort just for appearance <_<

[Garion]

so, overall, for a chigoe with att speed bonus natural, would en-elemental +bonus plates be best? or would a enpetrify be better?

[Graiza]

enpetrify chigeo can NOT kill a properly built mimic or elemental. even with the DMG bonus from the enemy being stoned, it still hits for zero DMG. Enspell chigeo could probably do it though, not to mention Eo'Zdeis are a pain to photo for spikes and enpetrify. (probably a better mob to get enpetrify from thats just the one I've gotten it from)

[Deadgye]

Instead of using something like enthunder, would en-drain be useful at all? Or do chigoes have so little hp that it doesn't matter?

[Airik]

I never used anything but enpetrify. you could try en-drain, but against undead mobs it'd be absolutely useless. Also, you'd have to survive long enough against magic casting mobs for the en-drain to even have an effect.

That being said, the reason I chose enpetrify vs any other en- trait was for survivability. Graiza says that any proper mimic or ele won't be defeated by enpetrify. While this may be true if you're not commanding it, when my chigoe petrifies, I have it side attack which absolutely destroys mimics and eles. However, when I face en-element chigoes with ASB, I normally lose since the en-petrify is all luck, where as the en-element is 100%.

Edit:: you don't need to go do zdei's in sea to get en-petrify. I tried lizards in both kuftal/sorrows, spending about 5k jettons (used HQ plates a few times b/c i was having horrible luck) and about 5 hours total with no success (I had a friend get it in first stack of NQ plates from the kuftal ones). I got mine off of the tavnazian rams in lufaise meadows I think within the first stack of plates. I've gotten a few more farming zeni, so those rams might be a good idea.

[Kaylia]

Zdei worked well for me. Got 2 in 1 stack (0/90 on lizard, 0/12 on rams). I can beat pretty much everything but elemental and mimic...which make my chigoe kinda useless since most champion are using this.

It's not bad (won 3000 points once in the champion cage), but not reliable enough.

[Airik]

Once it petrifies, you can command it to side attack, which will take down those mimics and eles. Once you're champ its hard for them to defeat you, even when you aren't commanding, since it usually ends in a tie. Of course it's all luck with the petrify.

[Kaylia]

I could take down some of the weaker elemental/mimic, but there is one I never managed to scratch. That was 2 months ago before I gave up, since there was no point doing it anymore.

[evilpaul]

I think the OP was maxxed out in the number of feral skills the thing can have.

Also, having a tie with a level 39 elemental versus the champ yesterday was pretty hawt.