Diablo Champion Species Fads

[neira]

Right now on Kujata the flavor of the month is Rabbit. so if you're on this server its worth putting Beast killer on your pet. Even despite the dysfunctions i'm having with my Wyverns temperment and behavior he has owned the 3 Rabbits on my server that are constantly champion. I almost never see mimics out here anymore, enspell mandies have kinda made them extinct. But on my server it is one of the 3Rabbits as champion, occasionally a dmg-% BLM slime. It was kind funny, after i beat all three rabbits 3complete cycles, an hour later one of them came back with dragon killer on it, i lolled, only to be beaten later when i went to the bathroom (not giving orders anymore) to have lost to that slime.

[Not Kuno]

Theres 2 chigoes that I see rape alot of stuff on Bahamut.

One has en-petry with the usual chigoe stuff. The other one has en-dispel and a massive evasion build. Both side attack. It's pretty hard to beat the evasive one as it rapes spell casters with attacks and everyone misses it (especially with blink/sskin).

We have the usualy mimic champs and stuff too, but those I see more then any other.

[Asdra]

We have a couple mimic who are always showing up, but an enpetrify Opo just showed up who attacks really fast (i think it has innate attack speed). It runs with just blink, and the petrify, and it just locks down the enemy and owns it with Vicious Claw.

Those are the normals, with a couple super evasive rabbits, and a goob that hits so ridiculously hard that its silly. On my ant, most normal mobs hit for 40-60, with hard hitters for 80-90. This Goob hits for 120-130 a hit, twice per round, and I've seen it wreck mobs with 500 damage beatdowns.

[Not Kuno]

How do you deal with the super evasive mobs anyway? Mages or just chigoe attack speed spam?

[neira]

beast killer was my solution

[Halion]

Diabolos this past week the mimic and wivre I saw all the time seem to have disappeared, there's an pit antlion that's been off and on for a while now, 1 rabbit and a bunch of chigoes. A mandy or apkallu with enspell will come kill off the rabbit, or the monkey with enpetrify, and then the chigoes will take those down. Not sure what's been killing the antlion.
My kraken could easily take mobs that I knew had instant phalanx down to 50% or less so I rearranged him to have endispel. He might not last long but he will be able to beat almost any defensive mob I believe. I wanted to take out the mimic and wivre though-.-

[evilpaul]

It's been either an indestructible Mimic or a Bunny of doom on Hades this past week mostly.

...Where's Endispel from again?

[Not Kuno]

Tartarus Efts or the Dark Mobs in Promys. I dunno about the promy one for sure thats just what I remember being said.

[neira]

t-efts drop it, but the rate for getting it is very fickel. i have endispell on my wyvern, i'm tempted to drop it for ensleep, mobs with ensleep are the only ones that beat my wyvern now that i have fixed his temperment again (back to fang rush spam on his own). but i'm getting frustrated with the endispell, i have fought a mob and killed him and never dispelled anyhis buffs, and had others where everything gets wiped off in first few hits, and yea i kown ensleep is just as random. but since i'm doing it to help increase my dmg output, ensleep will increase it and give some dmg mitigation wich endispell does since blaze spikes is the latest rage on kujata.

I dunno, any one have anythoughts over wich is better? endispell or ensleep? and can anyone say for sure if you can ensleep undead? cause i have never payed that close attention to it.

[BRP]

I can't wait until the cap is increased. So many feral skills, so little FP.

[neira]

Rabbits are still dominating on Kujata, only way i have been able to beat them was to make a pet specifically aimed to beat each of the 3 rabbits that constantly winning, but now there are 5rabbits constanly dominating diable. One that has blaze spikes insane defence and mild attack along with a nasty regen, another seems to have retarted attack and evasion accompanied by blink stoneskin, another is blaze spikes and enspells, another one is impossible to hit and spams whirl claws ever other attack. and another one spams whirl claws and takes single digit dmg for the most part.

Some one have thoughts on a pet that can be rabbits and not be utterly useless against everything else?

[Halion]

Evasion build on a strong base mob.

[neira]

i tried that with my wyvern and one of my coeurls, the cat cant put out enough dmg that way, and the wyvern just turns into a whiff fest out there against the high evasion pets, my crab is the only pet that consistantly does well against everything - just not well enough to topple the rabbit empire. I was hoping the chigeo i was making could fix this, but last night he got three shotted by a cave antlion 4 levels over him (my flea was 40 when this happened), pit ambush wiped blink and tore through stoneskin and still did 126dmg, two hits later i died, got him to 40% though first.

[Not Kuno]

I'm thinking of getting a bunny. Nobody seems to ever use them on Bahamut. I'm wondering about those builds though. Is blaze spikes to kill chigoes? Isn't ice spikes better? I can't figure out why they'd all have blaze spikes.

Also how do bunnies get so much defense? Phalanx? I'm just trying to figure out what others use to make them good.

[neira]

blaze spikes does 35dmg base per hit, so blaze spikes+auto-regen+high defence is very broken... But yea its to kill chigeos and compensate for low attack, wich due to whirl claw spam, isnt low. . .

[EDIT] when you guys say enpetrify, do you me Terroizing Attacks? or is the actually an Enpetrify? because an Opo-opo can get terro and blink thats 82FP and they only have 80. just curiouse, cause i've never seen Enpetrify, and if its out there for less than 70FP i want it! I have seen Chigeos with EnTerror.

[Not Kuno]

Is high defense or high evasion stronger? And is the defense from phalanx or just dmg resistance bonus/def bonus?

[neira]

i know one of them is using protect cause i've dispelled it before, so i'm thinking he has Defence Bonus30FP+Protect17FP+Blaze Spikes30FP, i think rabbits have 80FP max. I think i have dispelled phalanx off of one of them before, not sure wich one though. The protect+stoneskin is best bang for your buck from what i've see lately on DEF-strat pets.

[EDIT] Def on a rabbit, they seem to be naturally a pain to hit and an evasion build+blaze Spikes is kind of lol, "You can't hit me but when you do you will take DMG!!!" waste of 30FP for the spike sin my opinion.

[Not Kuno]

Oh that's a good point. >.>

So I guess my goal as innate is auto-regen then? I don't think they get defensive stuff as innates. But is protect really better then def bonus? Hmmm. Also, do the rabbits side attack? I'm wondering if "Give em a little more bite" will make them spam whirl claws cause I'd immagine that's the WS they use.

[neira]

the rabbits on my server just sit there, i think whirl claws may fall under same rules as ectosmash possibly, since (judging from the animation) its a circular attack that hits from teh side and follows through. And for Protect+Defence Bonus, I'd say Def bonus is better cause it cant be dispelled, but combining the too is oh so powerful. i think you can get evasion bonus as an innate (never tried rabbits), but anythign can have auto-regen so yea i'd say thats probly your goal. But they probly could side attack, but then they wont spam whirl claws (assuming here) because non of my pets set up to side attack will use TP unless before they have sat on 300 tp for a while. Anyways they just stare you down and such on Kujata.

[Not Kuno]

Thanks, it seems interesting to try out.

Even after all this time bahamut has like 3 chigoes (petri, endispel, evasion), a bhoot (blm) and a super evasive eft as champs. How do you beat out something like a chigoe that takes off buffs?

[neira]

i would think having buffs that arent dispellable and slepe attacks would own that chigeo.

[Not Kuno]

Well the dispel one on Bahamut is packed with evasion. It seems evasion rules alot here. Ensleep probably wouldn't land often. I can't think of alot that can kill that unless you had an acc boosted antlion or something. :/

[neira]

a pet that aoe's for a WS with evasion build and innate auto-regain then perhaps? We had a chigeo like that, i saw it once, i have a Coeurl with stoneskin, phalanx, blaze spikes, auto-regen, war/thf. and the chigeo dispelled everything. only problem was i only had to hit him once after the amount fo dmg he did to himself from my spikes. Oh, and opo-opo and Roc's have possible innate of accuracy bonus. I have an unleveled opo with inate accuracy bonus + attack+15%, was looking for attack speed bonus though, hence why i made a chigeo, it's easier to get, and after spending 40k on film/camera i was getting low on jettens. the opo was a Bullbegger if you feel like making one.

I wanted an opop with AttackSpeedBonus and Enspell, chigger effect with HP!! but didnt happen ; ; all the speed plates i got on opo's were crap or nothing.

[Not Kuno]

Sounds like my bee. After 450~ pictures I finally got innate attack speed with (of course) no 2nd innate. I think my crappy bee woulda been better if it had a cool 2nd innate but meh maybe I'm just a pankration noob lol.

Hopefully bunny hunting will be easier but I'll get to that tomorrow. What types of plates do they give? I remember reading crit rate+ but that seems like a huge pain in the ass to go for. <.<

[Halion]

I summed them up on the last page of the innate thread for what had been posted.

@Coeurl with evasion build, these do hit very weak which is why you need a strong base mob also, if you want to defeat anything and not just hold draws. Wivre, Dragon, Rabbit, Ram, Roc, Magic Pot, Wamouracampa come to mind. Rabbit has the bonus of being able to get Evasion innate. Lizard and Beetle I haven't seen much but also have evasion TP moves and could possibly be good.

@Enpetrify yes this is real, and very effective. I personally haven't seen any mob with terrorize on my server. Enpetrify as well as petrifying TP moves seem to last forever and never get resisted. On the other hand when I have seen the spell Stun or Enstun they don't seem to take effect at all, and even as TP move is really only effective at stopping a TP move with a tame pet, and not actually halt any significant amount of attack rounds.

[Not Kuno]

Took 288 pictures of bunnies and the only auto-regen innate I got with something else was Lizard killer. -.- 2 had just auto-regen. I got random other cool stuff like levelable crit/slow resist but regen seems to be very useful in Diabolo. Does it seem worth it to go for attack/regen or is that just 500 years of work? lol

Also en-petrify hurts, but if they have that then they can't dispel, so it makes having a spikes really useful.