Unguided Pets and Temperments

[neira]

I noticed something inparticular that is rather interesting, but due to the insane amont of time it takes to test this figured it'd be easer to ask if anyone else has noticed this.

My wyvern started as "Somewhat wild, while extremely aggressive" and even without me giving orders he would spam Fang Rush almost exclusively for dmg well over 450+ (head on, not side attack). Just for giggles i spent a day spamming "don't Think kill" to see if there was any different in behavior, well there was. As far as what he did it was no different from "show no mercy", that is until his temperment changed. He Changed to "Extremely Wild, while Extremely Aggressive" before unguided he would spam Fang Rush, after going full wild he started to do deadly drive and tail crush =/ unguided. So i started to try to change him back to some what wild.

When he got to very wild, while extremely aggressive, (i was using think then think again to tame him) he started to use "Radient Breath" so i thought "cool" i can live with that, well i sent him out solo, and he didnt WS at all. So now i'm spamming think then think again to get him back to somewhat wild where i plan to spend another day spamming show no mercy to correct his behavior from the correct temperment.

So I'm wondering if any one has noticed things like this or not? and i dont suggest doing this unless you have alot of spare time, i takes a retarted amount of command spams to change/correct this stuff.

[Asdra]

Yeah, pets don't act well unguided. They like to stand there and just hold tp, like a real mob. If you actually give commands though, it'll react to your commands and tp sooner.

[neira]

thats not really what i'm getting at, when i had him as somewhat wild, extremely aggressive, he spammed fang rush unguided. The pets temperment and last batch of commands (bath=ungodly huge number) seem to decide what they will do solo. I was wondering if any one esle has noticed a solo behavior change after changing temperments.

[Asdra]

Ah, of course. Temperment is what determines your pets actions when you're not there. Its not like it makes your pet somehow tougher in the defensive range, or hit harder when aggressive.

[neira]

yea, but it does make them actually do things besides stand there like a deer caught in the headlights like my wyvern has decided is the "IT" thing t do lately lol. He hits like a truck and with my latest temperment screwup he just sits ther swinging. normal hits on non-def+ mobs 110-150, def+mobs 70-90, then back over 100 after he dispells protect and phalanx. I really need himt o go back to fang rush spam, so i'll repost if i can get him to do it, he rushed a mimic known to have dmg resistance bonus for ~500dmg so i'm really missing the LockDown he had on being untouchable in DPS.

But we have a goob like yours also, he kinda sucks though, hits over 100 per swing and does uppercuts over 500 even to mimics, but even the low attack mobs are rapping him, the owner i think did all the attack traits, and nothing defensive >_<

[Kukri]

Couple questions i would appreciate some assistance with:


Can a lvl 50 pets temperament still change?

if so

What wouldl be the best way to change my somewhat wild somewhat agreessive pet into a very wild very aggressive pet?

[Halion]

Spam aggressive commands. I have never seen any good reason to make a pet wild instead of tame though.

[Kukri]

With my light elemental the only way I can get it to spam Banishga II and Holy is when I tell it to Show No Mercy! and Don't Think Kill!



So i'm assuming in order to get it to do this on its on I need it to be wild.

If i'm wrong on this please correct me.

[Halion]

Wild/Tame has some effect on TP moves on mobs with a wide range but for the most part it's seemed to me that it controls exactly what you'd think. A tame mob has better AI when left alone. I can't really apply it to WHM as I haven't played with one and it may not make as much of a difference but I would test it for sure if you want to have long streaks in Diablo while absent. If you start watching temperaments of other strong pets most of them are going to be tame because this is necessary for them to do things like stun TP moves or even hold TP against a side attacking mob.

[Graiza]

I was gonna put this in the magic pet user, but think its better suited here.

I've noticed the following from 3 of my pets as I've changed thier temperments from one extreme to the other. In general there are a few types of styles from an unguided pet people want and I've pinned down a few of them and gonna break them down as I've noticed below. (the temperments are as listed by the NPC not the announcer)

Side Stepper: Pet will cirlce another pet as the enemy starts to cast or WS.
Temperment: Extremely Tame / Somewhat Aggressive
Achieved by: Spam "Think Then Think Again" to get this tame rating, and "Back Off" or "Give Em' a lil More Bite" to get this Aggressive rating.
Note: Magic pets dont seem to circle, some WS can't be circled i.e. Whirl Claws, Rampage.

Chicken Fighter: Pet will run from WS's.
Temperment: Extremely Tame / Somwhat Defensive
Achived by: Spam "Think Then Think Again" to get this tame rating, and "Back Off" or "Give Em' a lil More Bite" to get this Defensive rating.
Note: Magic pets will not run away it seems

Stunners: Pet will cast stun or use a stunning WS to anything thats threatening (spells, ws, and the like)
Temperment: Somwhat Tame / Extremely Defensive
Achived by: Spam "Think Then Think Again" or "Don't Think Kill" to get this tame rating, Spam "Guard Block Parry Hold" to get this Defensive Raiting.
Note: Not everything can be stunned, i.e whirl claws. If pet has no stun abilities or spells it will use a defensive ability i.e. Scissor Guard.

Sleep Nuker: This should be self explanitory.
Temperment: Somewhat Tame / Somewhat Aggressive
Achieved by: Spam "Think Then Think Again" or "Don't Think Kill" to get this tame rating, Spam "Give Em' a lil More Bite" or "Back off" to get this Agreesive rating.
Note: this will get your casting pet killed if it fights an undead... This is how you make your dark Elemental survive Enspell pets, because it will spam Drain and sleep WS's for double Drain with this temperment, but Undead will rape you.

Thats what I've been able to identify so far, expect some lsight variations by one temperment level depending on on your pets species. i.e. a crab will start using scissor guard to negate a WS at a higher defensive rating that casters will. I wouldnt expect more than one temperment level on the same side of the tame/wild or defensive/aggressive side of the trees.

NOTE!!!!!!! : If your pet is capable of becoming champion it WILL be more diffacult to change its temperment. It seems that it takes 10-15 fights (meaning you fight, it ends, and you re-register for another fight, and thats what counts as one) to change your pet one level of its temperment. If you pet is champion you can spam a command for 100+ battles, its only going to count as 1 toward changing its temperment. This same rule sems to apply to leveling skills also, as if you pet is champion with a lv10 skill and wins 40 matchs, its skill will be 11 when it is removed from fighting.

[Not Kuno]

Somewhat tame/somewhat agressive didn't do it for my soulflayer. As soon as it hit very tame/aggressive it started sleep nuking.

[Phraust]

Made my Squid Side Step, But now it won't use Cross-Attack or Tenticle; only Whirlwind...

I did manipulate it for a while actually guiding it, now I can't make it re-create it's original tactics.

I took it to Extremely Tame/Extremely Aggressive, then fucked with commmands, I'd use "Watch your enemy, then strike", followed by "Give em more bite" And wait fot the other mob to TP, then I'd immediately "Show em no mercy" and the thing would Cross Attack form the Side, in most cases killing whatever in one hit. Now it just goeas all gimp sauce and Whirlwinds...

[Graiza]

if you spam multiple commands in one fight, 9 out of 10 times your pet is just gonna go retarted on you and revert to just melee. also I've noticed if you have a defensive pet and give it an aggressive comand it reacts differently than an aggressive pet with the same command, you can always go back to your previouse temperment and resist the urge to give a command and watch what it does unguided.

[Phraust]

Originally Posted by Graiza

if you spam multiple commands in one fight, 9 out of 10 times your pet is just gonna go retarted on you and revert to just melee. also I've noticed if you have a defensive pet and give it an aggressive comand it reacts differently than an aggressive pet with the same command, you can always go back to your previouse temperment and resist the urge to give a command and watch what it does unguided.

Yeah, it's what I did basically lol... I started off wiht a Wild and Extremely defensive Squid... Let me tell you how useless that is, Hardened Membrane Span does jck shit in the pit... Took it to the extremes form there, then brought down it's temperment to Somewhat Tame while Extremely aggressive based on the actions I seen on the auto-created pets. Idk, it just seems like they have a hidden skill for Side-Stepping/Chicken that's hard wired into the mob form the start.

[Graiza]

I was playing around with my Dark Elemental and cam accross an interesting find. I made it wild! (ya wtf right?) Well its not Very Wild/Very Defensive and I love it. It doesn't have Black magic scrolls so its forced to use Drain as its main dmg. this temperment makes Spam Drain about every 12 seconds (somtimes Aspir >_<; ) when it isnt taking dmg which is most the time. It has also attempted to stun a WS but it seems to be more like a retarted BLM stunning GoH than a tam/def pet would be with stun lol.

When its being pounded by enspellers or heavy nukers it spams drain litterally all the time, like it will start casting 3seconds after the previouse of drain is finished. I 20fights since going wild, it has only casted drain/aspir/stun.

Side note: I never really noticed a Tame pet reacting to differently built pets on a situational basis. As I've seen it, Tame pets do the same thing every fight reguardless to what they're up against. It seems my Elemental being Wild trys to adapt slightly to what its fighting while staying withing its def/aggresive rating... Just a thought.

[Reznap]

your ele is gonna get killed by undead if all it does is spam drain. blm scrolls gives it more versitility, like my dark ele usually opens fights with tier1-2 ga spell, then i command it to spam drain depending on what other nukes its using.

[Graiza]

Originally Posted by Reznap

your ele is gonna get killed by undead if all it does is spam drain. blm scrolls gives it more versitility, like my dark ele usually opens fights with tier1-2 ga spell, then i command it to spam drain depending on what other nukes its using.

you gotta chose your battels man, theres no way to make it survive both undead and enspellers, theres more enspellers so I'm gonna cover that base, and unless its an undead enspeller, they dont do enough dmg to counter the drain spam.

[edit] I've used Black Magic Scrolls, and it does better this way. Opening with Freeze gets you owned by anything that circles with an enspell. Normally it takes zero dmg from melee attacks even if they're a sideattack, but enlight at double dmg is rape...

[edit2] and its not about being able to kill your opponent, just survive him. I remove people with my chigeo all the time then enter my Elemental and ride the wave. I think alot of people do that. And alot of people have Balck magic scroll dark elementals here, and yea, they own, until they fight a BLM mob with more HP like this Corse that shows up every now and then, or an Enlight Torama that started popping up, which is pretty creative and effective (its gotta survive the first nuke though, which it does long enough to get chaotic eye off and maintained silence through out the fight).

[edit3] And this is thread is called "Unguided Pets and Temperments" and as suggested I'm not there giving commands like it seems you're saying you're doing. (fixed spelling and such)