Help Kuno pick a Bee

Not Kuno · 10-16-2007, 08:29 AM

In my efforts to get one with attack speed -50 or bonus (which is pretty freaking rare) I got alot of bees and I don't know which to use. I have a few good ones and I can't decide. Should I just use one of these or go back for more attempts at attack speed? The bees give it super rarely, as I spent many hours out there and only saw 8 or so, none of which gave it as an innate.

Thistle · 10-16-2007, 09:45 AM

I spent four days trying to get speed bonus on an opo-opo before giving up. If you keep trying after taking hundreds, I'll tip my hat to you.

I would have voted Auto Regain, but that's the one I settled on, too. I posted about it in some other thread here, but Auto Regain seems to be buggy. From 5-30 it ROCKED, seriously, I was WSing every third round (4:1). Then I hit 31, nothing changed, I added nothing, took nothing away, hadn't been on the trainer's command stand in 10 levels, and it just stopped working. Actually, worse than that, it was like it became -Auto Regain -- I was WSing maybe once for every two to three from the other guy, I was lucky if he WSed once a fight. This lasted from 31 to 50 and really, really sucked.

rath · 10-16-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ThistleChaser

I spent four days trying to get speed bonus on an opo-opo before giving up. If you keep trying after taking hundreds, I'll tip my hat to you.

I would have voted Auto Regain, but that's the one I settled on, too. I posted about it in some other thread here, but Auto Regain seems to be buggy. From 5-30 it ROCKED, seriously, I was WSing every third round (4:1). Then I hit 31, nothing changed, I added nothing, took nothing away, hadn't been on the trainer's command stand in 10 levels, and it just stopped working. Actually, worse than that, it was like it became -Auto Regain -- I was WSing maybe once for every two to three from the other guy, I was lucky if he WSed once a fight. This lasted from 31 to 50 and really, really sucked.

When you do not show up at fights for 10 lvls, his temperment will change. This probably caused your loss of TP moves. My draugar still spams TP moves every 2-3 swings.

For a bee, I would suggest using evasion bonus if you can get it with an attack trait.

Not Kuno · 10-16-2007, 10:36 AM

I liked the eva+attack one but I think attack speed w/o anything extra is better. But it's just sooooo boring taking a bunch of pictures. I had 3 people at one point just spamming pictures and it's not very common. <.<

I was worried about Regain because of that post you made in the other thread. But I don't know how attack speed is. Does anyone use it and notice it being a big difference?

Thistle · 10-16-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rath

When you do not show up at fights for 10 lvls, his temperment will change. This probably caused your loss of TP moves. My draugar still spams TP moves every 2-3 swings.

Huh? I was in the Pit for the fights and the announcer kept saying the same thing, never a changed one. I had him set up to sneak attack, and he continued to do that right up until the end, so it couldn't have changed.

Asdra · 10-16-2007, 01:40 PM

I'd personally say the evasion and auto-regen. Level 50 auto-regen is pretty potent, with 1-2% hp every 3 seconds ticking up. High evasion on top of it, with the ability to spam pollen, will make your pet pretty hard hard to kill for any mob thats not built entirely to stun everything you do.

Could just throw something onto it to enhance dd, like ensleep, war traits, and something to slow the fight down further like Phalanx to also nullify enemy spikes/enspells, and I imagine you'd have a pretty strong pet unless Bee's have something terribly wrong with them I don't know about

Thistle · 10-16-2007, 02:02 PM

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I imagine you'd have a pretty strong pet unless Bee's have something terribly wrong with them I don't know about

I'd worry about Final Sting. Perhaps you can block that WS based on temperment? Maybe a totally defensive/tame one might only use Pollen? I'll be interested to hear how that works out.

Not Kuno · 10-16-2007, 03:08 PM

We had a bee champ a while back that used Pollen non stop. It did Sharp Sting when its HP was good, though.

How much of a bonus is eva+15% anyway? Better then the regular Evasion skill? And how does that work against a mob w/o any acc bonuses. Does it make me evade sometimes or not really at all?

BRP · 10-16-2007, 03:09 PM

Job?

Not Kuno · 10-16-2007, 03:22 PM

I will keep it as War.

Unless you meant the Bee champ we had. It was a whm.

Priran · 10-16-2007, 03:30 PM

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I imagine you'd have a pretty strong pet unless Bee's have something terribly wrong with them I don't know about

I'd worry about Final Sting. Perhaps you can block that WS based on temperment? Maybe a totally defensive/tame one might only use Pollen? I'll be interested to hear how that works out.

you can't use final sting at all, even if you wanted to

Maxxthepenguin · 10-16-2007, 04:20 PM

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I imagine you'd have a pretty strong pet unless Bee's have something terribly wrong with them I don't know about

I'd worry about Final Sting. Perhaps you can block that WS based on temperment? Maybe a totally defensive/tame one might only use Pollen? I'll be interested to hear how that works out.

you can't use final sting at all, even if you wanted to

I've seen bombs self destruct, I dont see why bees wouldn't final sting

Priran · 10-16-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Asdra

I imagine you'd have a pretty strong pet unless Bee's have something terribly wrong with them I don't know about

I'd worry about Final Sting. Perhaps you can block that WS based on temperment? Maybe a totally defensive/tame one might only use Pollen? I'll be interested to hear how that works out.

you can't use final sting at all, even if you wanted to

I've seen bombs self destruct, I dont see why bees wouldn't final sting

Bombs or clusters? I've never seen a bomb self-destruct or a bee final sting.

Thistle · 10-16-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Priran

Bombs or clusters? I've never seen a bomb self-destruct or a bee final sting.

I've seen single bombs self-destruct a number of times (early on in the Pit, no one on Midgar seems to use them now -- I'd assume self-destruct is why).

Not Kuno · 10-16-2007, 06:32 PM

Anyone know how much FP bees get at 50?

On a updated note, I've decided to go out and get more Bees but with work I probably won't have any results till the weekend. <.< My favorite 3 are the ones in the lead, eva/regen, attack/regen5 and the regain but I dunno. :/ It's a hard choice. If regain was on anything I probably would have just used that. ><

rath · 10-16-2007, 07:18 PM

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When you do not show up at fights for 10 lvls, his temperment will change. This probably caused your loss of TP moves. My draugar still spams TP moves every 2-3 swings.

Huh? I was in the Pit for the fights and the announcer kept saying the same thing, never a changed one. I had him set up to sneak attack, and he continued to do that right up until the end, so it couldn't have changed.

You had him set to attack when your opponent used TP? That is why you didn't spam TP moves. They will hold TP for a long time, sometimes not using at all, when they are set to attack from the side.

Thistle · 10-16-2007, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rath

You had him set to attack when your opponent used TP? That is why you didn't spam TP moves. They will hold TP for a long time, sometimes not using at all, when they are set to attack from the side.

I had him set to sneak attack (side attack) when the opponent WSed or cast spells. Pre-30 he spammed WSs and moved to the side for a crit attack when they Wsed/cast, post 30 he didn't WS, even from the side.

He had been sneak attacking since level... 10? or so, so it wasn't something new.

Halion · 10-17-2007, 01:45 AM

Perhaps temperament efficiency increases with level then, to spam ws your pet must be aggressive or very aggressive, even if the TP move is not an attack but a buff when set to side attack mobs will save TP to use then.
Btw I voted for evasion/auto regen.

Not Kuno · 10-18-2007, 11:01 PM

420 Bees

Only 1 Auto-Regain

No Attack Speed of any sort yet.

Thistle · 10-18-2007, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Kuno

420 Bees
Only 1 Auto-Regain
No Attack Speed of any sort yet.

Ugh. :/ I'm wondering if attack speed on a plate doesn't always mean it can show up on the mob. I took hundreds of opo-opo pictures, four had speed bonus, but none showed up on the mob. I took hundreds more than penguin-owners had to take to get a speed bonus, and it never worked out.

Not Kuno · 10-18-2007, 11:48 PM

Has anyone confirmed it appearing as an innate?

Out of those 420 I had around 15 attack speed bonuses. Comes out to around 1/30 for it. Most were +50 and not the levelable one, too. >_>

So has anyone ever gotten it as an innate? If not then I should stop wasting time trying to get it.

Halion · 10-19-2007, 01:22 AM

My friend got it on a monkey innate on his first try, he was totally clueless about so I think it's just luck sorry. :\

View Poll Results: Which bee?
Evasion +15% / Auto Regen	7	13.21%
Evasion Skill / Resist Petri	0	0%
Evasion Skill / Resist Sleep	2	3.77%
Attack +15% / Auto Regen +5	9	16.98%
Evasion +15% / Max HP +15%	4	7.55%
Auto Regain	12	22.64%
None of these - try to get Attack Speed	19	35.85%
Voters: 53. You may not vote on this poll

10-16-2007, 08:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
Not Kuno The God Damn Kuno Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 8,374	Help Kuno pick a Bee In my efforts to get one with attack speed -50 or bonus (which is pretty freaking rare) I got alot of bees and I don't know which to use. I have a few good ones and I can't decide. Should I just use one of these or go back for more attempts at attack speed? The bees give it super rarely, as I spent many hours out there and only saw 8 or so, none of which gave it as an innate. __________________ I can't tell you who I am. But I sure as hell can tell you who I'm not.

10-16-2007, 09:45 AM	#2 (permalink)
Thistle Relic Shield Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,793	Re: Help Kuno pick a Bee I spent four days trying to get speed bonus on an opo-opo before giving up. If you keep trying after taking hundreds, I'll tip my hat to you. I would have voted Auto Regain, but that's the one I settled on, too. I posted about it in some other thread here, but Auto Regain seems to be buggy. From 5-30 it ROCKED, seriously, I was WSing every third round (4:1). Then I hit 31, nothing changed, I added nothing, took nothing away, hadn't been on the trainer's command stand in 10 levels, and it just stopped working. Actually, worse than that, it was like it became -Auto Regain -- I was WSing maybe once for every two to three from the other guy, I was lucky if he WSed once a fight. This lasted from 31 to 50 and really, really sucked. __________________ Thistle: Leather 100 +3 + moglification, bone/gold/cloth +1 Chaser: Gold 95 + 3 / Fishingbot: Wood 98 + 2 / Catsoup: Alchemy 100 +2 / Katerwaul: Bone 78 + 2 Total guild points turned in: 1,870,000 / Blog Sig image made more "piratey" by Veloxe! Thanks!

10-16-2007, 10:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
Not Kuno The God Damn Kuno Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 8,374	Re: Help Kuno pick a Bee I liked the eva+attack one but I think attack speed w/o anything extra is better. But it's just sooooo boring taking a bunch of pictures. I had 3 people at one point just spamming pictures and it's not very common. <.< I was worried about Regain because of that post you made in the other thread. But I don't know how attack speed is. Does anyone use it and notice it being a big difference? __________________ I can't tell you who I am. But I sure as hell can tell you who I'm not.

10-16-2007, 01:40 PM	#6 (permalink)
Asdra Fallso Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 191	Re: Help Kuno pick a Bee I'd personally say the evasion and auto-regen. Level 50 auto-regen is pretty potent, with 1-2% hp every 3 seconds ticking up. High evasion on top of it, with the ability to spam pollen, will make your pet pretty hard hard to kill for any mob thats not built entirely to stun everything you do. Could just throw something onto it to enhance dd, like ensleep, war traits, and something to slow the fight down further like Phalanx to also nullify enemy spikes/enspells, and I imagine you'd have a pretty strong pet unless Bee's have something terribly wrong with them I don't know about

10-16-2007, 03:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
Not Kuno The God Damn Kuno Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 8,374	Re: Help Kuno pick a Bee We had a bee champ a while back that used Pollen non stop. It did Sharp Sting when its HP was good, though. How much of a bonus is eva+15% anyway? Better then the regular Evasion skill? And how does that work against a mob w/o any acc bonuses. Does it make me evade sometimes or not really at all? __________________ I can't tell you who I am. But I sure as hell can tell you who I'm not.

10-16-2007, 03:09 PM	#9 (permalink)
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10-16-2007, 03:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
Not Kuno The God Damn Kuno Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 8,374	Re: Help Kuno pick a Bee I will keep it as War. Unless you meant the Bee champ we had. It was a whm. __________________ I can't tell you who I am. But I sure as hell can tell you who I'm not.

10-16-2007, 06:32 PM	#15 (permalink)
Not Kuno The God Damn Kuno Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 8,374	Re: Help Kuno pick a Bee Anyone know how much FP bees get at 50? On a updated note, I've decided to go out and get more Bees but with work I probably won't have any results till the weekend. <.< My favorite 3 are the ones in the lead, eva/regen, attack/regen5 and the regain but I dunno. :/ It's a hard choice. If regain was on anything I probably would have just used that. >< __________________ I can't tell you who I am. But I sure as hell can tell you who I'm not.

10-17-2007, 01:45 AM	#18 (permalink)
Halion CoP Dynamis Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NC Posts: 252	Re: Help Kuno pick a Bee Perhaps temperament efficiency increases with level then, to spam ws your pet must be aggressive or very aggressive, even if the TP move is not an attack but a buff when set to side attack mobs will save TP to use then. Btw I voted for evasion/auto regen. __________________

10-18-2007, 11:01 PM	#19 (permalink)
Not Kuno The God Damn Kuno Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 8,374	Re: Help Kuno pick a Bee 420 Bees Only 1 Auto-Regain No Attack Speed of any sort yet. __________________ I can't tell you who I am. But I sure as hell can tell you who I'm not.

10-18-2007, 11:48 PM	#21 (permalink)
Not Kuno The God Damn Kuno Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 8,374	Re: Help Kuno pick a Bee Has anyone confirmed it appearing as an innate? Out of those 420 I had around 15 attack speed bonuses. Comes out to around 1/30 for it. Most were +50 and not the levelable one, too. >_> So has anyone ever gotten it as an innate? If not then I should stop wasting time trying to get it. __________________ I can't tell you who I am. But I sure as hell can tell you who I'm not.

10-19-2007, 01:22 AM	#22 (permalink)
Halion CoP Dynamis Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NC Posts: 252	Re: Help Kuno pick a Bee My friend got it on a monkey innate on his first try, he was totally clueless about so I think it's just luck sorry. :\ __________________