I'd expect this from someone like Stanislav, but SapereAude...?

[Brock30]

Hello BG. Today we Hall of Shame the pearlsacks of SapereAude linkshell on the Garuda server.

I'll keep commentary to a minimum and let some pictures explain.

The Linkshell

Loot is distributed to members at the discretion of pearlsacks. They decide who can lot what. As such, the pearlsack favourites are highly rewarded while others are given much less.

Absolute Virtue

It was well documented that SapereAude linkshell recently defeated Absolute Virtue. What wasn't so widely spread across message forums was the leaders lotting on the drops they wanted, and then charging members gil to lot on the remains.

Note:

Dankster recently received an E.Body (denoted by bold font!), Herald's Gaiters and an Apocalypse partially funded by the LS bank, before his Ninurta's Sash.

Draken recently recieved partial LS funding for his Yoichinoyumi and a Ridill (also in bold!).

Jackyl recently lotted a Velocious Belt over other LS members (within the past month), before this Ninurta's Sash.

Tiresta is not strictly a pearlsack, but her boyfriend is and she carries a lot of weight in the LS.

The only members to recieve AV loot who are not pearlsacks are Leif (Aureole), Tirgen (Aureole), Aztech (Ninurta's Sash) and Kenne (Bellona's Ring). Some of these people are known pearlsack favourites, shown in the recording later on.

Pandemonium Warden

This is a secret!



For those curious

Pandemonium Warden now has draw-in similar to Absolute Virtue. This makes form transition while straight tanking difficult (8 gear pops + Pandemonium Warden) as you cannot kite of form change. Don't worry though, Belgarath thinks SA will have it down within 2 more pops!

The Recording

This is a recording from Ventrilo a few months ago. You can hear first hand how Dankster thinks.

1 Dankster 1 Cup

How to play the recording

1. Right Click on Ventrilo
2. View
3. Record / Playback
4. Open the file and press play!

Maybe they'll learn to keep their forum software up to date and properly configured after all of this. Either way, Enjoy!

[Guitarman]

And the point of this is?

How they run their shell is their business. Let me guess, you were denied an app.

[MillionDollarMan]

Am I reading this right? They are selling drops to their own linkshell members?

[Hyriu]

Their leadership still gets more items for their members than any other LSs, that is why you follow leaders like SapereAude, Stanislav, Wopa, ect.

[Zosi]

So... to summarize. You don't like their loot system, you disagree with their loot distribution choices, you post private info off their forums, and somehow we're supposed to see *them* as the bad guys?

Utterly fail attempt at drama, go post this on KI or something.

[Marcicus]

wait what? i'm so confused.

[testdummy]

I can't be the only one that doesn't get why this is "'surprising" info?

[Furionstormrage]

At least someone's trying PW?

[Stanislav]

Originally Posted by Hyriu

Their leadership still gets more items for their members than any other LSs, that is why you follow leaders like SapereAude, Stanislax, Wopa, ect.

How about before you compare me to a systems like this, you actually know how Excellence distributes.

[Zosi]

Originally Posted by MillionDollarMan

Am I reading this right? They are selling drops to their own linkshell members?

It's hard to say without knowing the rest of their loot system, but it's not terribly uncommon for LSs to "sell" everything and handle gil like other LSs handle DKP. Basically, say you have 20 people at a Tiamat kill, and Heralds cost 20m on the market (totally arbitrary numbers). Each person is entitled to a 1m split, or they can buy the gaiters for 19m out of pocket. People who want gaiters can save gil until they can afford, and people who don't can spend it on relic currency or other gear or whatever. Obviously the numbers would be different in a real system, but that's the general idea.

[MillionDollarMan]

I doubt a good leader would SELL items to his own linkshell members. I would leave the linkshell the same day.

[Dawin]

Originally Posted by MillionDollarMan

I doubt a good leader would SELL items to his own linkshell members. I would leave the linkshell the same day.

Many linkshells do sell/split events. Are you saying they should allow the general public to buy items and specifically exclude LS members from buying them?

Also, selling to LS members at a discount is pretty common for sell/split style events.

[Zosi]

Originally Posted by MillionDollarMan

I doubt a good leader would SELL items to his own linkshell members. I would leave the linkshell the same day.

It's nice that you can make judgments like that without even having a clue about how their loot system works. Why don't you wait for one of their actual members to explain, rather than a whiny pissant that's trying to start drama and is pretty much guaranteed to be misrepresenting things?

Edit: To the OP, if you want people to actually listen to your voice recording, try recording it in a common format. You fail at Vent snooping.

[Hyriu]

Originally Posted by Stanislav

How about before you compare me to a systems like this, you actually know how Excellence distributes.

Actually I wasn't comparing you to them or anyone, I don't think SapereAude's system is bad, or care tbh, I run my LS just fine as well, and was just saying that even if this topic exist I don't think SA will have 10 members dropping their pearls tomorrow morning because their leaders get shit done, and then I added famous LS leaders from these boards lol

Never even made allusion to Excellence's distribution system >_>

I could have used my shell in my example but no one cares/knows about us, except people who've been on Alex.

[MillionDollarMan]

Originally Posted by Zosi

It's hard to say without knowing the rest of their loot system, but it's not terribly uncommon for LSs to "sell" everything and handle gil like other LSs handle DKP. Basically, say you have 20 people at a Tiamat kill, and Heralds cost 20m on the market (totally arbitrary numbers). Each person is entitled to a 1m split, or they can buy the gaiters for 19m out of pocket. People who want gaiters can save gil until they can afford, and people who don't can spend it on relic currency or other gear or whatever. Obviously the numbers would be different in a real system, but that's the general idea.

I dunno. I think the guy is trying to say you're doing JoL and you get 5 novios and all the linkshell leaders get theirs and you're expecting yours soon then the LS leader says "if anybody else wants it BUY IT bitches". Sounds like rape to me. If people show up for events let them lot it.

[Stanislav]

You are right I guess in a way, but at the same time they are not getting items for people if they are forcing them to pay..

[Hyriu]

Yeah, that's a point but we don't know all details anyway so.

[Starr]

Not suprised in the slightest, I've never seen a shell run without the leaders taking most everything. DF? Leader takes two relics and 60M for an Ebody-1, takes an EBody for his level 4 WAR. Ex? Stanislav, lol. VK? The leader took near EVERYTHING then stole a Novio and the LS bank. Legacy? When Izi lead it he milked the fuck out of the bank.

[Zosi]

Originally Posted by MillionDollarMan

I dunno. I think the guy is trying to say you're doing JoL and you get 5 novios and all the linkshell leaders get theirs and you're expecting yours soon then the LS leader says "if anybody else wants it BUY IT bitches". Sounds like rape to me. If people show up for events let them lot it.

That's what he wants you to think, which, given the source, should make you wonder whether that's actually the case or not rather than assume. Think critically, most LSs with loot systems *THAT* bad aren't running around killing AV and seriously attempting PW.

[Charla]

Originally Posted by MillionDollarMan

I dunno. I think the guy is trying to say you're doing JoL and you get 5 novios and all the linkshell leaders get theirs and you're expecting yours soon then the LS leader says "if anybody else wants it, it's x million. Otherwise it's going to Rolanberry and we'll split the gil in two days.

That sounds a lot like a points system, except that people who farm/buy gil get everything first, and people who are sure they never want anything from ls events can spend it elsewhere. If you don't mind getting in line behind the crazy azn that never sleeps (even though you'd probably be in line behind him in a DKP system too) then the only problem I see is that it might encourage gilbuying.

And of course the leaders get whatever they want. That's how it always works, amirite?

[Zosi]

Originally Posted by Charla

And of course the leaders get whatever they want. That's how it always works, amirite?

If you base item distribution on the contribution of each member, it's not surprising that the leader and sacks tend to get more loot. It's only really a problem when the loot they get does NOT match their contribution, which can happen, but is not nearly as widespread as people who've never held leadership positions tend to think.

To put it another way, people who show up reliably, know their shit and are able to get shit done tend to be both the people who earn the most loot AND the best candidates for promotion.

[Kyo]

Im still intrested in the fact that they make their members pay for stuff, more infow ould be nice.

[Kaeko]

The #1 goal of a loot system is NOT to be fair, it's to distribute loot with the least amount of problems occurring. While this usually means being as 'fair' as possible, what is "fair" varies depending on who you play with. I personally don't like that system described but if SA's members are generally happy enough with it to stay in there then great for SA.

I promise if I were to post all the loot rules in my LS a lot of people would say something was wrong with it. No single loot system will please everyone. This is why we have so many systems like points, /point, complete sell and split, etc.

The only thing I see in that OP that I think everyone can agree with is posting private forum shit is frowned upon.

GL with PW

[netz]

Originally Posted by Kyo

Im still intrested in the fact that they make their members pay for stuff, more infow ould be nice.

AV only

[HadesChubbs]

Did the leaders/sacks pay as well? If not, then that is quite an interesting point system.